JPP: Facing Brees will be 'easier' than RG3

[TheGreek1973]

Hey I just had a scary thought. You don't think with all the love the midget players are showing RGIII is because that cheating, no good for nothing owner of theirs told them to treat him good because he has a plan to make our trade with the Rams illegal do you?

[DogofWar1]

Except that's not what he's saying. It has to be easier for a defensive end to only worry about the runningback on runs and fakes than both the QB and runningback. If you miss Brees on a play action, he's probably not far away. You miss RGIII on a fake and he might be halfway down the field by the time you realize it.

Saints are on the road..whole different world........its gonna be chilly. Giants are hungry now....finally. I expect good things.
I said this before the Redskin game. Giants match up better with conventional QB's. Vick shreds em too. They cant do what they like to do.

I understand what he and you are saying, but it's foolish to say something will be "much easier" when the guy you're up against has dominated you totally in the previous four matchups.

Certainly RGIII and the read option present unique challenges, but Brees presents plenty of his own challenges that go well beyond "traditional" offenses. If he had said something like "our assignments will be simpler" that would be one thing, but by saying "So now going up to like a traditional offense, we know what we're going to probably get, and it's much easier," it sounds like he's underestimating Brees and the NO offense, who is as far above an average traditional QB and traditional offense as someone like Beck is below it.

It's quite possible the Giants don't underestimate the Saints, win at home, and JPP does great, but this kind of comment would have been better said against a team like Detroit or St. Louis, or, you know, any team that didn't have a QB that consistently made the Giants look like jokes. Maybe this is the game they break the streak.

[jp03]

Hey I just had a scary thought. You don't think with all the love the midget players are showing RGIII is because that cheating, no good for nothing owner of theirs told them to treat him good because he has a plan to make our trade with the Rams illegal do you?

Could you be more paranoid...yer kidding right?

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I understand what he and you are saying, but it's foolish to say something will be "much easier" when the guy you're up against has dominated you totally in the previous four matchups.

Certainly RGIII and the read option present unique challenges, but Brees presents plenty of his own challenges that go well beyond "traditional" offenses. If he had said something like "our assignments will be simpler" that would be one thing, but by saying "So now going up to like a traditional offense, we know what we're going to probably get, and it's much easier," it sounds like he's underestimating Brees and the NO offense, who is as far above an average traditional QB and traditional offense as someone like Beck is below it.

It's quite possible the Giants don't underestimate the Saints, win at home, and JPP does great, but this kind of comment would have been better said against a team like Detroit or St. Louis, or, you know, any team that didn't have a QB that consistently made the Giants look like jokes. Maybe this is the game they break the streak.

I have never seen a fan base put so much stock in what players say...its bizarre really. Giants have backed up their talk PLENTY OF time in the last 5 years....At least when it counts..not regular season games.. In fact I read an article in trhe paper today that some Giants players are pissed that they were too complimentary to RG3 ...Its over the top and they need to get some meanness back.

[Skinz4Life12]

Hey I just had a scary thought. You don't think with all the love the midget players are showing RGIII is because that cheating, no good for nothing owner of theirs told them to treat him good because he has a plan to make our trade with the Rams illegal do you?

not sure if serious

[Bacon]

Fantastic that he thinks this.

I hope they lose.

[TheGreek1973]

yea I am kidding. Then again if someone told us we would be deducted 36 million dollars of cap space before it happened we would all say the same thing. "You not serious are you?"

[Mr. Sinister]

Hey I just had a scary thought. You don't think with all the love the midget players are showing RGIII is because that cheating, no good for nothing owner of theirs told them to treat him good because he has a plan to make our trade with the Rams illegal do you?

[Murphs56]

Upset Alert. Saints win in a shoot out!

[DogofWar1]

I have never seen a fan base put so much stock in what players say...its bizarre really. Giants have backed up their talk PLENTY OF time in the last 5 years....At least when it counts..not regular season games.. In fact I read an article in trhe paper today that some Giants players are pissed that they were too complimentary to RG3 ...Its over the top and they need to get some meanness back.

That's the thing though, this is the Giants, and it's what they do. Seriously, it's like clockwork. They started 6-2, got cocky, dropped two games before their bye, and suddenly got angry. They beat the Packers big time, have a 2 game lead they can extend with a win, but they suddenly felt secure and took their foot off the gas, metaphorically speaking. We come out, and beat them. Now they've got to finish strong.

Last year the same thing happened. They started 6-2, dropped 4 straight, then, realizing they were screwed if they didn't pick up the pace, went 3-1 to finish 9-7 and squeak into the playoffs.

The Giants wear their mentality on their sleeve for the media, and for them mentality is EVERYTHING. That's why their quotes get stock put in them, there's an actual correlation between performance and their mentality. If JPP is going into the Saints game with a lackadaisical attitude, it could really spell doom for their pass rush.

All that being said, I do think JPP and the rest of the team recognize the gravity of the situation. I'm sure he and the rest of the defense knows what to do, and what he said was just in-artfully phrased. Or, at least if they don't it will become readily apparent on Sunday.

[TheGreek1973]

All that being said, I do think JPP and the rest of the team recognize the gravity of the situation. I'm sure he and the rest of the defense knows what to do, and what he said was just in-artfully phrased. Or, at least if they don't it will become readily apparent on Sunday.

yea but when you have a Brees that just threw 5 INTs in the last game I would think he would be the last QB they would want to face in his very next game.

[jp03]

That's the thing though, this is the Giants, and it's what they do. Seriously, it's like clockwork. They started 6-2, got cocky, dropped two games before their bye, and suddenly got angry. They beat the Packers big time, have a 2 game lead they can extend with a win, but they suddenly felt secure and took their foot off the gas, metaphorically speaking. We come out, and beat them. Now they've got to finish strong.

Last year the same thing happened. They started 6-2, dropped 4 straight, then, realizing they were screwed if they didn't pick up the pace, went 3-1 to finish 9-7 and squeak into the playoffs.

The Giants wear their mentality on their sleeve for the media, and for them mentality is EVERYTHING. That's why their quotes get stock put in them, there's an actual correlation between performance and their mentality. If JPP is going into the Saints game with a lackadaisical attitude, it could really spell doom for their pass rush.

All that being said, I do think JPP and the rest of the team recognize the gravity of the situation. I'm sure he and the rest of the defense knows what to do, and what he said was just in-artfully phrased. Or, at least if they don't it will become readily apparent on Sunday.

Great analysis Its very similar to last year.. not taking a THING away from last week because I thought you guys kicked some serious ass in that game. The Giants are banking on finding that emotion... its frustrating as a Giant fan that they cant make it easy....makes me wonder if they are good enough this time around,,they just may not be. Then again at this time year they weren't even a thought for the super bowl and rightly so and look what happened.

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yea but when you have a Brees that just threw 5 INTs in the last game I would think he would be the last QB they would want to face in his very next game.

excellent point..Brees will be very determined..Saints are also playing desperate..

[mistertim]

Just looking at a couple of Saints message boards and they seem to be taking what JPP said pretty magnanimously. Generally not overreacting, some saying they understand what he is probably trying to get across, many of them saying that yeah RG3 is pretty hard to defend against but so is Brees...and not to forget that Brees has put a beat down on the Giants every time he has played them.

[DogofWar1]

Great analysis Its very similar to last year.. not taking a THING away from last week because I thought you guys kicked some serious ass in that game. The Giants are banking on finding that emotion... its frustrating as a Giant fan that they cant make it easy....makes me wonder if they are good enough this time around,,they just may not be. Then again at this time year they weren't even a thought for the super bowl and rightly so and look what happened.

Right, it's a question of whether Coughlin can get them psyched up over the last four games. They weren't able to in 09 and 10, but did last year and got the big one. I think it also happened in '08, they were 11-1 through twelve games, took their foot off the gas, and then suddenly dropped 4 of the next 5, including the divisional playoffs to the 9-6-1 Eagles. It's all going to be on Coughlin to get them motivated.

[Kindred]

Man, somebody please show this to Drew Brees. I hope he lights them up on Sunday Night.

I actually think NO will know where JPP is coming from. They experienced dealing with it first hand. Essentially people like what they are familiar and comfortable with and hate change. It's like the Giants need to learn a whole new way of playing defense *just* for us. But as things evolve to the next level, those that are able to succeed the most will soon be imitated and become the new norm.

[jp03]

Right, it's a question of whether Coughlin can get them psyched up over the last four games. They weren't able to in 09 and 10, but did last year and got the big one. I think it also happened in '08, they were 11-1 through twelve games, took their foot off the gas, and then suddenly dropped 4 of the next 5, including the divisional playoffs to the 9-6-1 Eagles. It's all going to be on Coughlin to get them motivated.

Burress shooting himself didnt help in 08. That team was dominant till then. 09 and 10 ..just not good enough. 11 was a true run for the ages. This year? Lightning striking 3 times in the parody world of the NFL is quite unlikely but the new NFL is for teams to get hot very late and run the table. Question is did you guys start this hot streak too soon? Another prediction Atlanta loses ..they are like a candle that is burning out. Same for the texans..I'd bet we dont see either in the Supe.