HTTR24-7: Andrew Luck- Greatness in GIFs

[Lavarleap56]

Andrew Luck throws interceptions because he has to throw deep to keep his team in the game….. I have read or heard this statement a lot this week via sports talk radio or Colts message boards. NFL networks Adam Schein stoked the hype machine by writing “Andrew Luck gets my MVP vote for reviving the Indianapolis colts”. MVP canidate..REALLY?

Monday-Wednesday all I heard was “Andrew Luck played GREAT vs the Lions”. One look at the stat line and I did not see greatness. I could be wrong but if 70.8 quarterback ratings and 3 interceptions where great then we had greatness last year in Rex Grossman. Stats often are not the story so I went back and watched the game to find greatness, I still didn’t find it.

Instead I found an idea to give GIFs to Redskins Nation to aid you in your internet battle with Colts fans and Luck homers. Are all of Lucks interceptions really the result of him ” having to throw deep “? Video evidence is often better than a written opinion so let these GIFs speak for themselves.


Read More.. http://httr24-7.com/?p=3921

* I'm happy the Redskins got their number 1 overall player in the draft..

[Zazzaro703]

I watched the game, and before the 4th quarter the announcers were rather adament about Andrew Luck "Having another bad afternoon". Key word.... ANOTHER. Haven't heard anyone say *Robert Griffin III had a bad afternoon* yet.

[Murphs56]

Some of those balls have no velocity on them at all

[Lavarleap56]

Some of those balls have no velocity on them at all

NONE.. its crazy to me that people are claiming he is so great this season. Gil Brandt came out today with" Dan Snyder told me after RG3s proday his biggest worry was the Colts changing their mind and taking him" .. That statement proves the Redskins had Robert as the number 1 QB prospect like we have discussed.

Could you imagine the heat Robert would be taking if he threw some of those picks?

[taayox]

I dont know if he was intentionally trying to throw some of those passes with .."touch?". But many of those required that he put some more zip in the throw. And then there were some passes that he simple should not have not thrown as there was no window at all.

[Spaceman Spiff]

I'm tired of this Andrew Luck noise. The Colts went 2-14 last year with a bad quarterback....and went 10-6 the year before with Peyton Manning! 2009, 14 wins. 2008, 12 wins. 2007, 13 wins. It's not like they've been bad for...oh, I don't know, a WHOLE DECADE OR LONGER. They just needed a fairly decent quarterback to replace Manning and didn't have it last year. Curtis Painter? People are so quick to forget that the Colts were a pretty damn good team just two years ago and not a whole hell of a lot has changed, other than who is under center.

Luck is a good QB right now... he'll probably be a great one, no doubt about that. But the idea that he's taken a horrible, God awful team, put it on his back and is taking them to the playoffs is absurd. That team would be in the exact same position last year if they had a good backup.

RG3 has taken a team that has had win totals of 5, 6 and 4 over the previous three seasons and negative point differentials of -79, -75, and -70 in those respective seasons and put them in a position to control their own destiny and get into the playoffs. Moreover, he's allowed an offense that'd be lucky to score 20 points a game to score more than 30 on multiple occasions this season.

Anyone who can't see this doesn't deserve to vote for ROY.

[Lavarleap56]

I laugh at this one every time.. How do you throw this when you know the CB is sitting there in zone? Dumb decision..

[rm1369]

I laugh at this one every time.. How do you throw this when you know the CB is sitting there in zone? Dumb decision..

http://httr24-7.com/wp-content/uploa...2/12/lUCK1.gif

His rookie receiver ran a slant and didn't cross the face of the defender - he ran behind him. Luck trusted his receiver to run the right route. He didn't. Confirmed by both Arians and Hilton. One of the other interceptions was also a wrong route by the rookie Brazil. Again confirmed by Arians and Brazil. The Colts have 6 rookies that are major contributors on offense. Believe it or not, all the offensive mistakes are not on Luck.

---------- Post added December-7th-2012 at 11:16 PM ----------

It's funny, I started frequenting this forum because it appeared that, unlike most forums, there were some decent non homer conversations and I looked forward to watching and contrasting the development of the two great QBs our teams have been blessed with. After reading the first few pages of this thread I've realized how wrong I've been. It may just be the most homerrific, straight hating threads I've ever seen. I certainly wouldn't expect any Skins fan to want anybody other than RGIII - just as you won't find a Colts or Seahawks fan who would want anyone other than Luck or Wilson. But Rex Grossman? I see there's no point in trying to discuss anything rationally. Have your circle jerk and I'll keep looking for a decent, non blatant homer NFL discussion.[COLOR="Gold"]

[bradboyd80]

.......Have your circle jerk and I'll keep looking for a decent, non blatant homer NFL discussion.[COLOR="Gold"]

What did you expect? Every forum has loads of homers; I'm sure the Colts forums are no different. Obviously it just sounds as though you're a bit butt-hurt that Luck is actually being given some criticism for the 16 or so interceptions that he's thrown this year. Yeah, he's a rookie and interceptions are to be expected. But he's being given WAY too much credit for your team's success given your strength of schedule. It's not like he's racking up wins against elite defenses (as it might seem based on the way some folks talk).

Edit: Don't forget, this franchise has endured 20 years of failure. We finally have our QB who is lights out just about every game he plays, and has us close to winning our division and back to relevancy. A little homerism is to be expected right now. There are plenty of good conversations held here, so stick around and perhaps you'll see for yourself this can be a good place to visit for good football discussion.

[rm1369]

What did you expect? Every forum has loads of homers; I'm sure the Colts forums are no different. Obviously it just sounds as though you're a bit butt-hurt that Luck is actually being given some criticism for the 16 or so interceptions that he's thrown this year. Yeah, he's a rookie and interceptions are to be expected. But he's being given WAY too much credit for your team's success given your strength of schedule. It's not like he's racking up wins against elite defenses (as it might seem based on the way some folks talk).

Edit: Don't forget, this franchise has endured 20 years of failure. We finally have our QB who is lights out just about every game he plays, and has us close to winning our division and back to relevancy. A little homerism is to be expected right now. There are plenty of good conversations held here, so stick around and perhaps you'll see for yourself this can be a good place to visit for good football discussion.

Your right, most forums have a similar attitude. As I said, initially thought this one a little better. I was wrong. I have no problem discussing stats, situations, and schemes with anyone that's interested in a discussion. It's hard to find. I have no problem with real discussion. I find what the Skins and RGIII are doing as very intriguing. I've admitted my skepticism of the system (not RGIII) for the long term, but admit its a unique situation and and I'm really interested in how it plays out. I have no ill will for the Skins and I like RGIII as a player and person (as much as can be known about him without "knowing" him). I'm not "butt hurt" by valid criticism of Luck and admit there is some - just as there is for RGIII, Wilson, and any other player. But that doesn't matter anyway, because this thread is nothing but pure homerism and hatred - just as you say you find in most places. I'm not butt hurt, just disappointed. I'm sure I'll be around and lurk. Maybe after the all important ROY is settled fans of all three teams can appreciate the greatest QB class of all time and the great talents our teams are fortunate to have. Until then, its not worth sifting through the junk to try to have find a "real" conversation or debate.

[NLC1054]

It's funny, I started frequenting this forum because it appeared that, unlike most forums, there were some decent non homer conversations and I looked forward to watching and contrasting the development of the two great QBs our teams have been blessed with. After reading the first few pages of this thread I've realized how wrong I've been. It may just be the most homerrific, straight hating threads I've ever seen. I certainly wouldn't expect any Skins fan to want anybody other than RGIII - just as you won't find a Colts or Seahawks fan who would want anyone other than Luck or Wilson. But Rex Grossman? I see there's no point in trying to discuss anything rationally. Have your circle jerk and I'll keep looking for a decent, non blatant homer NFL discussion.

Before you get indignant, I'd figured I'd explain to you why those two interceptions aren't completely on the rookie wide receivers.

On the ball he was going to throw to T.Y Hilton; okay, T.Y Hilton ran the wrong route. But it was still a bad decision by Luck to throw it in the first place. The corner Drayton Florence was sitting there in zone, basically waiting for a slant route. He was squatting on that route, with his eyes trained on Luck in the backfield.

Even if T.Y does cross his face, Florence either makes a tackle, breaks up the pass, or jumps the slant route anyway, since he was just sitting there, waiting for it. And even with that, Luck's ball location on that pass would've been bad, as the pass was high, and it would been behind Hilton. On a slant route you want to guide your guy away from coverage, not put a ball behind him.

As for the interception on the pass for Brazill, I can't see how that was on Brazill.

This is the look Luck had;



Brazill looks like he's running a deeper route here, and the safety is looking to cover him.



What draws the safety up is the fact that Luck is staring down Brazill after he steps up in the pocket.

Was Brazill supposed to run a very, very deep comeback or something? If Luck holds the safety, or gives him a pump fake, he has Brazill over the top for a touchdown.

Instead, he just flat underthrew it.

Or are you talking about another play to Brazill?

[SteveFromYellowstone]

His rookie receiver ran a slant and didn't cross the face of the defender - he ran behind him. Luck trusted his receiver to run the right route. He didn't. Confirmed by both Arians and Hilton. One of the other interceptions was also a wrong route by the rookie Brazil. Again confirmed by Arians and Brazil. The Colts have 6 rookies that are major contributors on offense. Believe it or not, all the offensive mistakes are not on Luck.

---------- Post added December-7th-2012 at 11:16 PM ----------

It's funny, I started frequenting this forum because it appeared that, unlike most forums, there were some decent non homer conversations and I looked forward to watching and contrasting the development of the two great QBs our teams have been blessed with. After reading the first few pages of this thread I've realized how wrong I've been. It may just be the most homerrific, straight hating threads I've ever seen. I certainly wouldn't expect any Skins fan to want anybody other than RGIII - just as you won't find a Colts or Seahawks fan who would want anyone other than Luck or Wilson. But Rex Grossman? I see there's no point in trying to discuss anything rationally. Have your circle jerk and I'll keep looking for a decent, non blatant homer NFL discussion.[COLOR="Gold"]

Why do you think this thread is full of homerisms? Luck has made some absolute **** throws and awful reads that you seem to ignore and write off as "oh the receiver ran the wrong route". Yeah I'm sure that's happened 16 times You say you don't like him being compared to Grossman but the stats are very similar and Andrew seems to make a lot of similar boneheaded interceptions that he has no business throwing. What's so ridiculous about it? The QB ratings are within 5 points, Luck has 1 more TD and a couple less picks, Grossman has a higher completion percentage, they took a similar amount of sacks. I don't see the issue. At this point in his career Luck is just not putting up the numbers Wilson and RG3 are and the only reason he is even in the discussion is the cupcake schedule.
Do you admit that Luck has enjoyed one of the easiest, if not the easiest, schedules in the NFL? Do you admit that RG3 leads Luck in nearly every statistical category except passing yards? I don't see how anyone can say that they are playing equally well at this point. RG3 is better right now.


This is a question for everyone. Why do you think that Andrew Luck's ridiculously easy schedule is being ignored?

[Lavarleap56]

His rookie receiver ran a slant and didn't cross the face of the defender - he ran behind him. Luck trusted his receiver to run the right route. He didn't. Confirmed by both Arians and Hilton. One of the other interceptions was also a wrong route by the rookie Brazil. Again confirmed by Arians and Brazil. The Colts have 6 rookies that are major contributors on offense. Believe it or not, all the offensive mistakes are not on Luck.

---------- Post added December-7th-2012 at 11:16 PM ----------

It's funny, I started frequenting this forum because it appeared that, unlike most forums, there were some decent non homer conversations and I looked forward to watching and contrasting the development of the two great QBs our teams have been blessed with. After reading the first few pages of this thread I've realized how wrong I've been. It may just be the most homerrific, straight hating threads I've ever seen. I certainly wouldn't expect any Skins fan to want anybody other than RGIII - just as you won't find a Colts or Seahawks fan who would want anyone other than Luck or Wilson. But Rex Grossman? I see there's no point in trying to discuss anything rationally. Have your circle jerk and I'll keep looking for a decent, non blatant homer NFL discussion.[COLOR="Gold"]

Arians can say what he wants but Im pretty sure the All 22 shows different. I will put the All22 in gif form for you later today. What is "homerism" about showing Lucks interceptions? I think they speak for themselves. I think a everyone that has participated in this thread feels Luck will be a damn good QB. The meat of the discussion is that Andrew Luck is clearly not a real MVP canidate.

I assume you post in the "coltsstrong" board where they say "Robert Griffin III is too stupid to run indys offense" etc. That is at the least homerific..

Nobody really believes Andrew Luck = Rex Grossman. Their stats are almost identical f om 2011-2012 which puts this "MVP season" in perspective.

---------- Post added December-8th-2012 at 11:51 AM ----------

Your right, most forums have a similar attitude. As I said, initially thought this one a little better. I was wrong. I have no problem discussing stats, situations, and schemes with anyone that's interested in a discussion. It's hard to find. I have no problem with real discussion. I find what the Skins and RGIII are doing as very intriguing. I've admitted my skepticism of the system (not RGIII) for the long term, but admit its a unique situation and and I'm really interested in how it plays out. I have no ill will for the Skins and I like RGIII as a player and person (as much as can be known about him without "knowing" him). I'm not "butt hurt" by valid criticism of Luck and admit there is some - just as there is for RGIII, Wilson, and any other player. But that doesn't matter anyway, because this thread is nothing but pure homerism and hatred - just as you say you find in most places. I'm not butt hurt, just disappointed. I'm sure I'll be around and lurk. Maybe after the all important ROY is settled fans of all three teams can appreciate the greatest QB class of all time and the great talents our teams are fortunate to have. Until then, its not worth sifting through the junk to try to have find a "real" conversation or debate.

... Everyone here is discussing real stats , situations, and schemes. Would you like to participate? Plenty of stats in this thread you csn debate or counter... We are ALWAYS up for real football discussions.

... Valid criticism of Luck? What is not valid? Gifs of him throwing picks are real and valid. Next time I will doctor the footage so they find Colts WRs for TDs..

.. Junk ? Lol How about more expressing your view of Luck, situation, and scheme with less complaining about the board. You sound like the Luck criticism rubs you the wrong way in this "circle jerk" ..

[rm1369]

Arians can say what he wants but Im pretty sure the All 22 shows different. I will put the All22 in gif form for you later today.

On which - the Hilton or Brazil route? There is no doubt whatsever that Hilton screwed up his route. It was obvious when it happened and has been confirmed by Arians and Hilton and its basic football - you dont run a slant behind the DB. According to Brazil and Arians he ran the wrong route as well. Now, watching live it appeared an obvious Luck mistake. My guess is it was likely both - a bad throw and a wrong route. Thas often the case when a QB throws a totally WTF? pick. IIRC correctly thr route was supposed to be flatter and behind the safety. So instead of behind and over Brazil the pass would likely have been in line but short. Which makes sense because my memory is thatLuck moves up in the pocket but doesnt fully reset before throwing.

What is "homerism" about showing Lucks interceptions? I think they speak for themselves.

I never said I had a problem with the GIFS. They are plays that happen. Its many of the conversation and comments that followed that scream homerism to me. And I'll disagree that they completly speak for themselves. Like most things context is needed. Otherwise, I'll tell you Indy is better than Washington and Seattle. I mean the records speak for themselves, right?

I think a everyone that has participated in this thread feels Luck will be a damn good QB. The meat of the discussion is that Andrew Luck is clearly not a real MVP canidate.

I certainly dont get that from reading the majority of the comments. You wont get an argument from me on MVP. No rookie should be in that conversation.

I assume you post in the "coltsstrong" board where they say "Robert Griffin III is too stupid to run indys offense" etc. That is at the least homerific..

Never been to that board and (for the same reasons I've been critical of this thread) it doesnt sound like a place I would frequent. Only Colts board I monitor its Coltfreaks. And yes, its sounds like that thread is also field with the typical NFL fan blind homerism. But, I'm sure I could find a few posts that disagree or are at least defendable in that thread. Would that make a skins fan calling it a homerific thread wrong?

Nobody really believes Andrew Luck = Rex Grossman. Their stats are almost identical f om 2011-2012 which puts this "MVP season" in perspective.

... Valid criticism of Luck? What is not valid? Gifs of him throwing picks are real and valid. Next time I will doctor the footage so they find Colts WRs for TDs...

Again, I've never said a discussion of Lucks picks isnt valid. A large portion of the thread isnt that. Of course a balanced discussion typically shows more than the negative. I'd be much more impressed to see a few GIFS of some of Lucks great plays as well. Or a more involved comparison of the Colts vertical scheme to the Skins read option, how they effect what each is asked to do, and what it will likely mean for eaches long term development. The vast majority of the thread appears to be "heehheee Luck throws picks... heehheee" or a very slight step up from "RGIII is too stupid to run the Colts scheme."

.. Junk ? Lol How about more expressing your view of Luck, situation, and scheme with less complaining about the board. You sound like the Luck criticism rubs you the wrong way in this "circle jerk" ..
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As I said, I'm disappointed as it initially appeared the board was significantly better than most. After reading about what is apparently a completly unstoppable offense that is dominating the league, the nearly complete lack of understanding that all teams use practise squad players to mimic opposing players (and its completly understood they aren't as good, thats why they are on the damn practise squad!), and this thread, I've realized this forum is like most NFL forums - a few good posters interested in good discussion and debate and a whole lot of homers that come to hear each other say how great their guy is and how much the other guy sucks. If thats considered mad, then so be it. I suppose it's the same reaction many Skins fans would have if I started comparing RGIII to Vince Young. I mean in known passing situations (3rd and long - when QBs are asked to make a play for their team) Vince Young's conversion stats are actually slightly better. Hey, the stats say it - I think they speak for themselves. How can RGIII be good if he's not able to do that better than VY? Of course, I'm not a (complete ) homer and dont feel the need to cut RGIII down with a ridiculous comparison. I recognize his unique abilities and know he's an extremly intelligent individual and VY is no smarter than my shoes.

[Taylor703]

His rookie receiver ran a slant and didn't cross the face of the defender - he ran behind him. Luck trusted his receiver to run the right route. He didn't. Confirmed by both Arians and Hilton. One of the other interceptions was also a wrong route by the rookie Brazil. Again confirmed by Arians and Brazil. The Colts have 6 rookies that are major contributors on offense. Believe it or not, all the offensive mistakes are not on Luck.

---------- Post added December-7th-2012 at 11:16 PM ----------

It's funny, I started frequenting this forum because it appeared that, unlike most forums, there were some decent non homer conversations and I looked forward to watching and contrasting the development of the two great QBs our teams have been blessed with. After reading the first few pages of this thread I've realized how wrong I've been. It may just be the most homerrific, straight hating threads I've ever seen. I certainly wouldn't expect any Skins fan to want anybody other than RGIII - just as you won't find a Colts or Seahawks fan who would want anyone other than Luck or Wilson. But Rex Grossman? I see there's no point in trying to discuss anything rationally. Have your circle jerk and I'll keep looking for a decent, non blatant homer NFL discussion.[COLOR="Gold"]

http://www.coltfreaks.com/forum/show...t=69428&page=2

This is what happens on nearly every Colts message board I've visited. It always turns to how much of an idiot RGIII is or how he's a gimmick player. Colts fans are absolutely obsessed with RGIII failing.