HTTR24-7: Andrew Luck- Greatness in GIFs

[pjfootballer]

Colts 2013 opponents:

Texans (2), Titans (2), Jags (2)
San Diego, Oakland, Denver, KC
1 AFC East team TBD
1 AFC North team TBD
St Louis, San Fran, Arizona and Seattle.

Redskins 2013:

Dallas (2), Philly (2), NYG (2)
Detroit, Minnesota, GB, Chicago
1 NFC South TBD
1 NFC West TBD
San Diego, Oakland, Denver, KC

---------- Post added December-7th-2012 at 11:19 AM ----------

I think those arguing for Luck over Griffin would be better served pointing to Robert's numbers dropping back w/o play-action, or his third and long percentage. I have doubts whether Griffin would fare nearly as well in the Colts system. Of course separating a player from the scheme they run is problematic in and of itself. And we sure as heck got the right guy for our scheme (or maybe the right scheme for our guy).

Good points. I'd like to see Griffin get better with straight dropbacks without play action. I'd like to see him improve our 3rd down percentage. Griffin isn't perfect either and still has alot to work on. I think he knows it, which is what makes him such a great player.

[J-bomb]

I guess this thread or his tweet got some attention because nfl am has a segment "What are Rg3 weaknesses" really ? This thread should be showed on nfl network but doubt they do it...

[Saqs]

Good points. I'd like to see Griffin get better with straight dropbacks without play action. I'd like to see him improve our 3rd down percentage. Griffin isn't perfect either and still has alot to work on. I think he knows it, which is what makes him such a great player.

I dont understand why operating out of straight drop backs or under center is such a point of emphasis when we can do all of what can be done under center plus some out of the Pistol formation. Hell I watched Peyton Manning pass out of shotgun or play action probably 90%+ of their plays last night. We know he can do it and he has done it. He was under center a lot in the Pittsburgh game. But why is it necessary?

[steve09ru]

The biggest excuse I see for RG3 being successful is that he has a solid running game that helps him out - they fail to mention that he is the reason the running game is successful. Sure the oline has opened up some holes and Morris runs hard but a lot of it is because RG3 freezes everyone and by the time they realize who has the ball Morris is at the line and gone - he directly affects his own numbers - just tired of hearing it's because he has a good run game

[pjfootballer]

I dont understand why operating out of straight drop backs or under center is such a point of emphasis when we can do all of what can be done under center plus some out of the Pistol formation. Hell I watched Peyton Manning pass out of shotgun or play action probably 90%+ of their plays last night. We know he can do it and he has done it. He was under center a lot in the Pittsburgh game. But why is it necessary?

I didn't say I wanted us to do "just" straight dropnbacks. What I'd like to see him do is improve on it and get better. Without the play action, he does struggle a bit with this part of his game. But we all knew that. If he gets better at this, then it's just another thing for the defense to worry about "In Addition" to his ability to run the read option and throw out of the pistol/play action. The more he can do, the better.

[Alcoholic Zebra]

I thought he was good at progressions. It looked like all but two of the INT's he never took his eyes off the primary and was throwing there no mater what. So call me confused

That's been a knock on him. His ability to read defenses post-snap has been pretty bad. But he's a rookie and that's sort of what you expect from rookie QB's. Russell Wilson and RG3 are VERY rare exceptions to this.

[Spaceman Spiff]

IMO, RG3 is a Magic Johnson moreso than a Michael Jordan. He doesn't have to throw for 250+ yards to make his impact felt on a game. Magic Johnson could dominate a game by scoring 12 points but handing out 10+ assists and starting fast breaks off rebounds.

[Laron Burgundy]

Colts 2013 opponents:

Texans (2), Titans (2), Jags (2)
San Diego, Oakland, Denver, KC
1 AFC East team TBD
1 AFC North team TBD
St Louis, San Fran, Arizona and Seattle.

Redskins 2013:

Dallas (2), Philly (2), NYG (2)
Detroit, Minnesota, GB, Chicago
1 NFC South TBD
1 NFC West TBD
San Diego, Oakland, Denver, KC[COLOR="Gold"]

If we do take our division, which I think we stand a good shot due to the giants having such a brutal december schedule, that means we get Atlanta and San Fran as the TBD teams. Atlanta, GB, San Fran, Denver, NYG and Chicago? Are they serious? That'll be like 7 games against top 10 teams next year. Heck, 5 of those guys have been ranked 1st at some point this season and Denver may climb to 1st soon. Meanwhile it looks like Indy gets the Bills and Steelers as their TBD. They get Texans, Denver, San Fran and a questionable Pitt team (yes, they are better than they are now with a healthy roethlisberger, but a 35 year old Harrison and Kiesel, 36 year old Hampton 32 year old Polamalu, 34 year old Clark and 33 year old Ike Taylor? That defense is going to fall apart hard and soon).

I didn't say I wanted us to do "just" straight dropnbacks. What I'd like to see him do is improve on it and get better. Without the play action, he does struggle a bit with this part of his game. But we all knew that. If he gets better at this, then it's just another thing for the defense to worry about "In Addition" to his ability to run the read option and throw out of the pistol/play action. The more he can do, the better.

RG3's numbers on dropback passes were something like 62% completion with 8 tds and 1 int, problem is he only had 5.3 ypa, which would be league low. Thing is I'd wager MOST qb's take their deep shots from PA AND we never, EVER 7 step drop for deep throws, so I think that skews the numbers a bit as well. Certainly it could use work but it isn't as doom and gloom as some may have you believe.

[iMeast]

Lots and lots of overthrows. They may be winning, but it isn't specifically because of him.

HTTR

[ILikeBilly]

The deep throw down the right sideline is the one I would find scary if I was a Colts fan. The receiver is open and Luck has time, but the ball just floats and forces the receiver to slow down. Of course, it is picked off. Is his arm that weak?

[skinny21]

I didn't say I wanted us to do "just" straight dropnbacks. What I'd like to see him do is improve on it and get better. Without the play action, he does struggle a bit with this part of his game. But we all knew that. If he gets better at this, then it's just another thing for the defense to worry about "In Addition" to his ability to run the read option and throw out of the pistol/play action. The more he can do, the better.

Exactly. Hopefully we can improve the line in the offseason, because right now it really hinders the offense in terms of obvious passing downs. Makes it more difficult to grade Griffin in this area too.

[IrepDC]

I was one of the people that had been watching the Colts this year and said Luck looks like Grossman at times, "**** it, I'm going deep." Now people can see some of that. He's had a LOT of INT's dropped this year, too.

[nuposse87]

RG III fits into our scheme perfectly as Luck is fitting into their scheme perfectly. They're both ahead of the curve (for rookies) and have both respective squads probably playing ahead of the talent on their respective rosters. Bashing either one of them for their shortcomings seems nonsensical to me. I look forward to their first regular season meeting, cause I fully expect the skins to come out on top

[NLC1054]

I was one of the people that had been watching the Colts this year and said Luck looks like Grossman at times, "**** it, I'm going deep." Now people can see some of that. He's had a LOT of INT's dropped this year, too.

Luck had 1 pick versus Green Bay, but I swear, watching that game he should've had six. And I said that without a hint of hyperbole; balls hit defenders right in the hands.

[Dallsux]

Jay Gillespie December 7, 2012 at 3:50 PM
Luck is playing a pro style offense unlike RG3. He is learning the speed of the NFL defenders without any help especially by o-line. Pressure in your face all day will cause you to slip. Colts are not looking for a great year but are getting one anyways. They are giving a Luck a crash course in NFL. He will come out next year like a veteran, RG3 and Wilson will come out and getting clobbered by defenses that have figured him out and they will be way behind Luck

This made me lol. Obviously a Luck Homer.