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    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...pistol-offense

    By Bucky Brooks


    How do you stop the pistol offense?


    That's the question defensive coordinators around the NFL should pitch to their college colleagues prior to facing the Washington Redskins.

    Fueled by the arrival of Robert Griffin III, Mike and Kyle Shanahan have molded the Redskins into one of the NFL's most feared offenses utilizing a diverse option offense that is prevalent in the college game.

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    Great write-up by the ex-scout Brooks. It's not anything we haven't seen or heard already but hey, it's my kind of article. All X's and O's baby.
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    Default Re: NFL.com: Robert Griffin III triggers Washington Redskins' pistol offense

    Great article.

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    This offense is going to be fun to watch for a long time. A lot of opposing team's fans are saying defensive coordinators will figure it out and find a way to stop it. That may be true, but I believe RG3 is so good at executing it, the defenders on the field can be coached up all week long, but they will still be confused. JPP bit hard on the play fake and tackled AM rather than holding the edge and RG3 broke a long run. How many times during the week do you think he was told to hold that edge??

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    I don't want to hate on the offense, because it's surpassed my expectations for this year by leaps and bounds, but is anyone besides me a little disappointed in the lack of learning drops from under center for Griffin? I think this could be a new offense that breaks the mold as long as we fill all the offense with talent, but on the chance we don't and defenses figure it out, I worry a little bit about running a "conventional offense". I know we've done some amazing things this year, but you never know.

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    It baffles me how RG3 and M64 need to be/are able to operate in synch with one another. One would think that the 2 would botch handoffs more frequently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmzznnxx View Post
    I don't want to hate on the offense, because it's surpassed my expectations for this year by leaps and bounds, but is anyone besides me a little disappointed in the lack of learning drops from under center for Griffin? I think this could be a new offense that breaks the mold as long as we fill all the offense with talent, but on the chance we don't and defenses figure it out, I worry a little bit about running a "conventional offense". I know we've done some amazing things this year, but you never know.
    Really? I hear Tuck and everyone saying they are gonna figure this offense out, but they still get burned on the option. It's a friggin option! Thats why it friggin works. Bob reads the coverage and makes the quick call to hand off or keep/run or throw. He makes his reads quickly and sells the play action. Everyone buys it.

    Try and figure it out F'ers. RGIII is one of the brightest minds in the biz. He will beat you 3 outta 4. If he's hot, 8 outta 10.

    Now, RGIII stayed home last game more than I had ever seen him, so far. That doesn't mean he's becomming a traditional pocket passer. It just means he has already transcended the invisible barrier between college and pro.

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    How would you defense it? My first thought is to roll the safeties under -- have them press on the WRs as their first assignment. Then, they turn the WRs over to the CBs and play a short outside zone to provide an extra body to stop pass or run to their side.

    The corners would play man coverage but with the advantage of having help from the safety pressing the WR at the LOS.
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    I don't think there is anything to figure out. All teams know what's going on but the Skins are too talented to be stopped. As long as RG3 and AM have their legs, defenses have to account for both. Plus the fact that RG3 is an accurate passer makes it more lethal. The only way defenses are going to stop the offense is if they eliminate one or more of those threats. IE when our receivers drop passes like in the PIT game, or when our defense gets us behind early. In that case we have to abandon the option and go for passes. Or when age hits RG3 and or AM and they lose a step.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldfan View Post
    How would you defense it? My first thought is to roll the safeties under -- have them press on the WRs as their first assignment. Then, they turn the WRs over to the CBs and play a short outside zone to provide an extra body to stop pass or run to their side.
    So you want to have the safetys "bump" the WR off the line then the DBs are one on one with a wr with no deep help? while the LB are defending the run..and zero help deep

    That's how you would stop it?

    lol...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmzznnxx View Post
    I don't want to hate on the offense, because it's surpassed my expectations for this year by leaps and bounds, but is anyone besides me a little disappointed in the lack of learning drops from under center for Griffin? I think this could be a new offense that breaks the mold as long as we fill all the offense with talent, but on the chance we don't and defenses figure it out, I worry a little bit about running a "conventional offense". I know we've done some amazing things this year, but you never know.
    I think we are witnessing the beginning of the end for QBs under center. The shotgun gives the QB more time to pass and the pistol gives equal ability to run. Why go under center?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowek723 View Post
    So you want to have the safetys "bump" the WR off the line then the DBs are one on one with a wr with no deep help? while the LB are defending the run..and zero help deep

    That's how you would stop it?

    lol...
    My assumption is that a legit NFL corner wouldn't need help covering deep if his man is pressed by a safety. The LBs can get deep help or help on the outside. What difference does it make? There's no scheme that doesn't make tradeoffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowek723 View Post
    So you want to have the safetys "bump" the WR off the line then the DBs are one on one with a wr with no deep help? while the LB are defending the run..and zero help deep

    That's how you would stop it?

    lol...
    some one has been playin a little too much madden 13 lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21Knock_U_Out View Post
    some one has been playin a little too much madden 13 lol
    If you can't counter it intelligently, ridicule it?

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    Wouldnt bringing the safety up to press just open up the seam for TEs and crossing routes over the middle? Or the RB breaks a hole and is off to the races down the middle. The option plays off the DE, bringing the safeties up would get the defense gashed by the rb up the middle, even if the LBs played the gaps perfectly it still takes more than 1 guy to bring down alfred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldfan View Post
    If you can't counter it intelligently, ridicule it?
    No need to counter it, I PLAYED it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by httrburgundyandgold View Post
    Wouldnt bringing the safety up to press just open up the seam for TEs and crossing routes over the middle? Or the RB breaks a hole and is off to the races down the middle. The option plays off the DE, bringing the safeties up would get the defense gashed by the rb up the middle, even if the LBs played the gaps perfectly it still takes more than 1 guy to bring down alfred.
    I'm starting with the premise that the strength of our offense is attacking wide with the zone stretch, the option, and the bubble screens. I'm using my safeties to stop those rather than have them worrying about stopping the big plays. I don't want the offense to play ball control which this scheme does well. As I said, there are always tradeoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21Knock_U_Out View Post
    No need to counter it, I PLAYED it!
    Then go play.
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