I lied. One last thing...
Speaking of Belichick and Shannahan...
http://nesn.com/2011/12/bill-belichi...-bowl-success/Mike Shanahan spent the 2009 season studying the NFL in ways he never had before. It was, after all, the first time he was out of coaching since 1974. He wanted to take advantage of the opportunity so he’d be sharper than ever when he took his next gig. He watched as many games as he could and sought the knowledge of the coaches he respects most. His path that summer led to the New England Patriots and his friend, coach Bill Belichick.
Combined, they have eight Super Bowl rings. Belichick’s 186 wins are the most of any active coach. Shanahan’s 164 are second. Shanahan will try to close that gap Sunday while Belichick looks to widen it when the Washington Redskins host the surging Patriots. “I think we’ve watched each other through the years,” Shanahan said. “We know what type of people that we try to get on our football team, what’s your makeup going to be. I know that he’s watched me. It’s been fun to talk about over a couple beers or dinner, something like that.”
"proven mediocre performer" indeed.Belichick has been in the NFL since 1975, and Shanahan made his debut in the league in 1984. They're 8-8 against one another, and Shanahan has a 5-3 edge in games when both were the head coach (all of which involved Shanahan's Broncos and Belichick's Patriots). Their biggest duel came in Super Bowl XXI, when Belichick was the defensive coordinator for the Giants in their 39-20 victory against the Broncos, who employed Shanahan as the offensive coordinator. Shanahan, though, has won his other two playoff meetings with Belichick, including their only matchup as head coaches in the 2005 divisional round.
1991-95, Browns HC, 36-44 record. 1 playoff win. 1996 assistant coach, DB coach with Pats under Parcells, Superbowl appearance and loss. How much was due to Parcells though, one would wonder when determining whether or not to hire Belichick (just like Crennel and McDaniels did not work outwell later as HCs). 1997-99 asst. coach and DC under Parcells with Jets, 1 playoff win. And then there was the debacle where Beklichick was supposed to take over as HC of the Jets, then resigned and immediately went to the Pats, and the whole ordeal cost the Pats a 1st round pick.
Sorry, but under the standards you have set Oldfan, I can't believe you would hire Belichick in 2000 with that kind of background, nor Pioli who basically followed him and shares those records. Shanahan at least had 2 Superbowl wins prior. You also seem to exclude the possibility that Shanahan learned from his mistakes in Denver nor do you seem to consider the time Shanahan spent between coaching gigs observing and learning. Your foregone conclusion that Shanahan can only bring mediocrity means you have already excluded the possibility of the Skins getting to and winning in the playoffs, and that is a negative bias so long as the possibility exists.
No Pressure No Diamonds
Originally Posted by skinsfan913
I do get what you mean about our weaknesses and how long Griffin can manage to run this team with them (I also agree the O-line- especially the right side, and the secondary needs some work). One thing I'm sure will happen is that these weaknesses will be addressed, and the team as a whole will eventually be a force to be reckoned with on both sides of the ball.
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So you accuse Dan Snyder of not having the goal of having the number one organization in football because...I don't know, reasons or whatever, and then you suggests that hiring Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen was a bad move because of their history of being mediocre.
And ya know...there's a ton of evidence that proves that you're...misguided. To once again, put it politely. But what's even the point?
Ultimately you succeeded in your goal of bringing more negativity to the board in the midst of a lot of fans, even the more negative amongst us, being in a great mood
We can only hope to be such as grumpy and fatalist as you.
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If the Redskins win the SB next year would you still say Mike and Bruce are mediocre?
Would maybe Kyle Shanahan have been closer in your eyes, a young offensive guru trying to escape his dad's shadow? Or maybe someone like Raheem Morris circa 2010? I'm just trying to get an idea.
Really I think the better argument for you to make is the historical trend that no head coach has won a Superbowl with one team and then won another head coaching another team and thus, despite conventional wisdom, hiring a Superbowl-winning head coach is actually a bad idea. I wouldn't agree with it, but at least historical precedent would be on your side.
I don't trust Snyder to find a good up-and-comer. What I do trust is for him to bring in a quality experienced HC who then recommends one of those up-and-comers as his replacement.
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No Pressure No Diamonds
Originally Posted by skinsfan913
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That's not a sound argument.Really I think the better argument for you to make is the historical trend that no head coach has won a Superbowl with one team and then won another head coaching another team and thus, despite conventional wisdom, hiring a Superbowl-winning head coach is actually a bad idea. I wouldn't agree with it, but at least historical precedent would be on your side.
I don't think Snyder is willing or able to lead this team to #1. So, I'm lowering my goal. I'll be satisfied if I can watch RG3 perform -- healthy -- for several years.I don't trust Snyder to find a good up-and-comer. What I do trust is for him to bring in a quality experienced HC who then recommends one of those up-and-comers.
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Schwartz has the brainpower to compete with Belichik. But, you would still need a GM.
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Jim Zorn had us mediocre for a year.. how'd Dan like that? Not much patience for mediocrity in that case. Must have been the lack of name that soured him on Zorn so quickly after a mediocre season.
35 million .. and expecting nothing more than mediocrity and name recognition.
And you claim that on thoughtful reason this makes sense?
I'm sorry. That's ridiculous.
(BTW, read up on how players get paid. very very very few people get paid 10 mil per year, especially defensive ends. the salary and bonus structure precludes the vfast vast majority of players from making that much before they're forced to renegotiate or be cut. Average NFL salary clocks in around 1.9 mil.
According to this http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/...defensive-end/, 9 defensive ends make 10 mil or more. And on average, according to http://www.buzzle.com/articles/avera...-position.html including those top elite guys, the rest of the defensive ends in the league make about 1.5 million.. about 7 times less than your estimate.
but hey, they probably aren't following your salary guidelines, right?
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