"Running QBs" Winning Superbowls

[Henry]

Can I ask you why you think that statistic (no QB that rushes as much as Griffin does has ever won the Superbowl) is in the least bit relevent?

I don't know why it's relevant. I'm simply pointing out that direct comparisons to Elway and Young aren't accurate. That doesn't mean that I don't think we can win a Superbowl with Griffin. It just means that if we do, he will be the first QB of his 'type' (if you will) to win it.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

No QB who rushes as much as Griffin does has ever won the Superbowl. Young and Elway are the closest, but they're not really that close.

No QB who has thrown for as many yards as Brees did last year has ever won a Super Bowl. Does that mean that gaining MORE yardage is a bad thing or does it simply mean that it hasn't happened yet?

[skinsmania123]

Steve Young won a Super Bowl

And he is exactly who RG3 reminds me of.

[Henry]

You guys are getting very defensive.

I wasn't making any judgements. Just observations.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I don't know why it's relevant. I'm simply pointing out that direct comparisons to Elway and Young aren't accurate. That doesn't mean that I don't think we can win a Superbowl with Griffin. It just means that if we do, he will be the first QB of his 'type' (if you will) to win it.

Only if every different yardage amount gained becomes its own type though. Gaining MORE yards on the ground than other running QBs doesn't necessarily make Griffin a different type of QB in my opinion. Unless you consider Brees a different type of QB because he passed for more yards last year than other Super Bowl winning QBs.

[pjfootballer]

I would never root for the 49ers.

I would against the Patriots, Ravens and Colts.

[KDawg]

You guys are getting very defensive.

I wasn't making any judgements. Just observations.

Nah. Just trying to understand.

I have to ask, including guys like Vick, what quarterback in history has the same passing ability and rushing ability that RG3 possesses? I'd argue there are none. There is no precedence for a QB "like" Griffin. He's really the first of his kind. Newton is even different than RG3. Randall Cunnigham was different than RG3. Steve Young was different than RG3.

I don't think it's fair, or appropriate, to state something such as, "no QB who has run the ball as often as RG3 has ever won the Super Bowl". There has never been another quarterback like RG3.

[pjfootballer]

And who the **** cares as long as we win it. He could drop kick the winning FG in the SB and I'd be happy.

[gortiz]

Griffin, if he lasts as long as Young, will double that. If Griffin doesn't take another snap this year, he'll still have rushed 36 more times and 211 more yards than Young's highest single-season rushing totals.

No QB who rushes as much as Griffin does has ever won the Superbowl. Young and Elway are the closest, but they're not really that close.

Yeah, at the end of the day while I think YOung is a good and the closest comparison to RG3, it's not close. I still think though, Young would fall under the category of Running QB.

Robert does take the running QB level up a notch. Kind of like Bryan Westbrook and Darren Sproles, those guys are top level pass catching RB's. other RB's might catch passes, but not like those guys did/do.

[styx491]

RG3 won 4 Super Bowls in the 10 years since was drafted and 2 SB MVPs. Lets not forget the epic 180 yard, 3 TD game from Almo in our second trip to the big game against the Packers, and then of course the 5 sack, 2 fumbles and 1 int game from Rak in the most recent trip last year. I think it's safe to say running QB's DO win super bowls.

[Henry]

Only if every different yardage amount gained becomes its own type though. Gaining MORE yards on the ground than other running QBs doesn't necessarily make Griffin a different type of QB in my opinion. Unless you consider Brees a different type of QB because he passed for more yards last year than other Super Bowl winning QBs.

The year Brees won the Superbowl, he was 8th in pass attempts. He wasn't a 'new' type of QB. He was just better at what he did than anyone else.

Griffin is not Vick, or Cunningham, who ran for a ton of yards but was very limited in their ability to throw the ball, but he does run significantly more often than any QB who has ever won a Superbowl. There is no mold for him. I don't know why you guys are all debating this with me like I'm suggesting it's a BAD thing. I'm not. I think Griffin is part of a new breed of QB, including Newton and Kaepernick, who can truly beat a team with his arms or his legs, as opposed to one or the other. I think the reason a QB like this hasn't yet won a Superbowl is because we haven't seen any QBs like this until, well, last year. I don't think we have to justify Griffin's play-style to anyone. He's not Young or Elway. He's Robert Griffin the Third.

20 years from now, when some new hot-shot QB is rising through the ranks, they won't be saying 'He's the next Steve Young.' They'll be saying 'He's the next Robert Griffin.'

Does that clarify my position?

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Nah. Just trying to understand.

I have to ask, including guys like Vick, what quarterback in history has the same passing ability and rushing ability that RG3 possesses? I'd argue there are none. There is no precedence for a QB "like" Griffin. He's really the first of his kind. Newton is even different than RG3. Randall Cunnigham was different than RG3. Steve Young was different than RG3.

I don't think it's fair, or appropriate, to state something such as, "no QB who has run the ball as often as RG3 has ever won the Super Bowl". There has never been another quarterback like RG3.

See above.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Henry, makes sense. I think we agree then that it is irrelevant what "type" of QBs have won Super Bowls previously as it pertains to Griffin.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Elway won a super bowl.

By then he wasn't running much but I would point out that he went to multiple SBs truly running around a lot. He may not have WON but getting to the SB is not like "not being able to win." The AFC was just really weak in comparison to the NFC most years back then. Put Elway on the Redskins and we win multiple SBs with him.

[USS Redskins]

WGAS?

Seriously why would you care?

RG may win a title but look at the odds... Dan Marino went to one SB, lost and never even appeared in another over two decades.

[Darth Tater]

Yeah, at the end of the day while I think YOung is a good and the closest comparison to RG3, it's not close. I still think though, Young would fall under the category of Running QB.

Robert does take the running QB level up a notch. Kind of like Bryan Westbrook and Darren Sproles, those guys are top level pass catching RB's. other RB's might catch passes, but not like those guys did/do.

Actually, the best stat here is attempts per game and then comparing them as rookies not a career versus one partial year. At this time, RG3 is averaging about 8.6 attempt/game while as a rookie average about 8.