WE: After school shooting in Connecticut, Piers Morgan blasts America’s ‘gun madness’

[Bacon]

As a lover of psychology, I would be VERY curious to see what gun-restrictive psychological assessment the government cooks up. What would they be screening for? Suicidal ideation? Instability? Antisocial personality disorder? Schizophrenia? Just being a crazy nutbag who wants a gun?

[Yusuf06]

You guys are arguing about the wrong thing altogether. It turns out not having prayer in schools is the root cause.

Huckabee: Schools ‘A Place Of Carnage’ Because We ‘Systematically Removed God’

Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee attributed the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in part to restrictions on school prayer and religious materials in the classroom.

"We ask why there is violence in our schools, but we have systematically removed God from our schools," Huckabee said on Fox News, discussing the murder spree that took the lives of 20 children and 6 adults in Newtown, CT that morning. "Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage?"

...He said those suffering from a crisis from faith should look to God in the community's response to the violence. But he added that "Maybe we ought to let [God] in on the front end and we wouldn't have to call him to show up when it's all said and done at the back end."

[zoony]

Ugh, huckabee, now is not the time. Your not helping your ministry or anyone else's right now

[2v2nv]

As a lover of psychology, I would be VERY curious to see what gun-restrictive psychological assessment the government cooks up. What would they be screening for? Suicidal ideation? Instability? Antisocial personality disorder? Schizophrenia? Just being a crazy nutbag who wants a gun?

I would have to say that darn near anything "should" help. Its also sad that we can't trust our government to do something like this without mocking how bad they'd mess it up. That's another big reason that people need to pay attention to who they vote for.

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

You guys are arguing about the wrong thing altogether. It turns out not having prayer in schools is the root cause.

Huckabee: Schools ‘A Place Of Carnage’ Because We ‘Systematically Removed God’

lol, he is such a clown.

[Larry]

There is no doubt that the availability of guns in our country makes these crimes more possible. I don't know anyone who would argue that.

The larger point, what nobody really wants to talk about, is the illness of our society that is clearly getting worse. It is manifesting itself right in front of us for the past 10 years.

A Larry Quick and Dirty Theory, here.

I wonder if some of our country's divisive political dialog, lately, might be a contributing factor.

Seems to me, at least, that kids growing up today are fed a pretty steady diet of "the country's screwed, you're all gonna starve, you're gonna be taxed all your life, and your parents are gonna spend all the money and stick you with the bill, blah, blah, blah".

That at least seems to be something new. Something that's changed, last 10-20 years.

But then, it also seems to me that if that were the case, then the school shooters would be from the lower SES. And my uninformed opinion says that they aren't. These things aren't happening in the ghettos. They happening in more suburban environments.

(Although maybe that's part of the pattern: Being raised with a standard of living which they're being told that they won't have.)

[zoony]

Is anyone watching the CNN coverage? Anyone find it strange that there are construction workers building a rock wall in the background while victims are being interviewed at the scene?

Uhhh, someone call the foreman and tell him to send his guys home for the day.

[Larry]

As a lover of psychology, I would be VERY curious to see what gun-restrictive psychological assessment the government cooks up. What would they be screening for? Suicidal ideation? Instability? Antisocial personality disorder? Schizophrenia? Just being a crazy nutbag who wants a gun?

Start with the birthers and the Tea Partiers.

[/sarcasm]

[Thiebear]

War on Guns!!!!
Problem solved.

[Larry]

Ugh, huckabee, now is not the time. Your not helping your ministry or anyone else's right now

But I bet he's getting donations.

[Jumbo]

Uh, there are, I believe, people on ES who actually have professional expertise in psychological assessment. (I am NOT one of them.)

I am one of those who would say zoony is more correct in his suspicions than not, and yes, the cultural availability and acceptance of guns and the efficiency of guns (achieving the LEVEL of sense of power and impact desired by the killer) seriously and powerfully enable the occurrence and resulting deadliness of such sprees.

But I stay out of most typical abortion, gun, and god/no god discussions in most venues because I almost always find them useless to me.

On increased "gun control" per se, (and I love guns) I think a U.S. social sea change will eventually happen (most likely), but it will take even a far more serious level of "tipping point" (in cumulative as well as contemporary at the time events) than we now have, as crazy as that may seem to many.

[Jumbo]

Uh, there are, I believe, people on ES who actually have professional expertise in psychological assessment. (I am NOT one of them.)

I am one of those, and one who would say zoony is more correct in his suspicions than not (not that I think much can or will be done to change that on the broad society-wide level), and yes, the cultural availability and acceptance of guns and the efficiency of guns (achieving the LEVEL of sense of power and impact desired by the killer) seriously and powerfully enable the occurrence and resulting deadliness of such sprees.

But I stay out of most typical abortion, gun, and god/no god discussions in most venues because I almost always find them useless to me.

On increased "gun control" per se, (and I love guns) I think a U.S. social sea change will eventually happen (most likely), but it will take even a far more serious level of "tipping point" (in cumulative as well as contemporary to the time events) than we now have, as crazy as that may seem to many.

[Bacon]

You guys are arguing about the wrong thing altogether. It turns out not having prayer in schools is the root cause.

Huckabee: Schools ‘A Place Of Carnage’ Because We ‘Systematically Removed God’

Holy crap, it's like clockwork. I think Huckabee emerged 14 hours after Aurora, but that happened pretty late at night and I'm sure he's in bed by 7.

I would have to say that darn near anything "should" help. Its also sad that we can't trust our government to do something like this without mocking how bad they'd mess it up. That's another big reason that people need to pay attention to who they vote for.

Listen, any movement whatsoever toward restriction of any kind has my support. If there is a noticeable benefit to it, small restrictions create precedent for larger ones. I make fun, yeah, but even a ****ing inkblot test shows the government cares somewhat. Right now, I'm not so sure. I trust the authenticity of Obama's sorrow, but I don't think he has the balls to step out of the NRA's pocket. I don't.

[2v2nv]

Holy crap, it's like clockwork. I think Huckabee emerged 14 hours after Aurora, but that happened pretty late at night and I'm sure he's in bed by 7.
Listen, any movement whatsoever toward restriction of any kind has my support. If there is a noticeable benefit to it, small restrictions create precedent for larger ones. I make fun, yeah, but even a ****ing inkblot test shows the government cares somewhat. Right now, I'm not so sure. I trust the authenticity of Obama's sorrow, but I don't think he has the balls to step out of the NRA's pocket. I don't.

Do you own any type of firearm for personal protection? I'm not going to take this out of hand I just want to know a statistic.

[zoony]

I am one of those who would say zoony is more correct in his suspicions than not, and yes, the cultural availability and acceptance of guns and the efficiency of guns (achieving the LEVEL of sense of power and impact desired by the killer) seriously and powerfully enable the occurrence and resulting deadliness of such sprees.

But I stay out of most typical abortion, gun, and god/no god discussions in most venues because I almost always find them useless to me.

On increased "gun control" per se, (and I love guns) I think a U.S. social sea change will eventually happen (most likely), but it will take even a far more serious level of "tipping point" (in cumulative as well as contemporary at the time events) than we now have, as crazy as that may seem to many.

As someone who has always been a staunch supporter of gun rights, I am just reevaluating things. I'm just not sure our society is responsible enough to have that kind of freedom anymore. Pains me to say, I just can't take this kind of thing anymore. I've reached my limit

I don't trust our society to do what would actually be right... To unplug, power down, turn off the boob tube, and reconnect with our humanity and spirituality. Those days are gone and those environmental factors that are destroying us are here to stay. I'm thinking you just cannot have that and access to mass killing devices at the same time