WE: After school shooting in Connecticut, Piers Morgan blasts America’s ‘gun madness’

[twa]

It does if the argument against gun control is as a defense against a future hypothetical tyrannical government.

it is simply one of many....winning is immaterial and the thinking you need to disarm a population a symptom of worse things than loons killing kids.

We are governed, not ruled

[Stadium-Armory]

It does if the argument against gun control is as a defense against a future hypothetical tyrannical government.

I think that tyrannical government argument is hogwash. First off, 'the government' is us. Just regular people, your neighbors, my parents. Second, we can take down 'the government' at the ballot box.

[RansomthePasserby]

And you think in a potential conflict if the US military overwhelming sided with the US government, a US civilian force would be able to beat them ?

If the military didn't wipe them out in the first few days, it's definitely possible.

But that's a discussion for another thread.

[stevemcqueen1]

Real stern Disiplin has been outlawed by the government. Untill stern disiplin is allowed, kids will continue to act out unspeakable deeds.

For example, Everyone will agree the WW2 generation is by far the greatest generation we will ever see. So why are we forced to disiplin our children in the total opposite fashion?

Instead, soft disiplin has slowly created generations upon generations of childrens who are out of control.

The government says people can't disiplin and then when the kid is out of control, its the parents fault.

Discipline.

Disciprine is also correct for the Chinese.

[Jumbo]

Real stern Disiplin has been outlawed by the government. Untill stern disiplin is allowed, kids will continue to act out unspeakable deeds.

For example, Everyone will agree the WW2 generation is by far the greatest generation we will ever see. So why are we forced to disiplin our children in the total opposite fashion?

Instead, soft disiplin has slowly created generations upon generations of childrens who are out of control.

The government says people can't disiplin and then when the kid is out of control, its the parents fault.

Unless this post was satire, please don't ever post again.

[stevemcqueen1]

Unless this post was satire, please don't ever post again.

I believe I needed to read something like that gem. Things got pretty depressing.

[Kosher Ham]

Threads like this provide real insight to posters real being.

The guns don't worry me nearly as much as people.

For either side of the gun debate. And some of the twists in this thread are amazing.

[twa]

A Thought Experiment Related to School Shootings
http://www.volokh.com/2012/12/14/a-t...ool-shootings/


What’s your answer to that? Is there some reason why the armed security guard is safe and helpful, but the armed teacher, administrator, or staffer — er, the teacher with a volunteer security guard license — would be useless and a menace?

[GoSkins561]

Absolutely Horrible , can't imagine the pain. I wish I could put my head around the pain those parents and family members are feeling. Unreal.

[SpringfieldSkins]

We REALLY need to make punishments for crime painfull and public again!!!!

I agree.

We should also lock up the people with mental defciencies up in institutions. Don't give them treatment, put them in an asylum where they belong! Wonder why yesterday's society was better? We could tuck them away where we don't ever see them. Screw locking up miscreants in prison. Lets put the crazies in the mad house!

(Crazy to be determined by sociological standards)

[County1883]

As i posted previously, it is quite simple:
The problem is society. However, the problem with society is that it will take many many costly years to change. So, the only way you can rectify this sorry state of affairs is to remove the guns. Sorry but that is the only way you will ever rid your country of these sorry acts.

Of course you may ask, how? when there could be millions unaccounted. That is for your government to answer, that is what you pay them for, that is what you vote them in for.

You could be the generation which changed things for the good!

EDIT: One thing that really scares me here "over the pond" is that some people on here and in America have been saying that the teachers need to be armed. WHAT?!?!? Where i come from mate, teachers teach. The army are armed....just WOW!

[afkidd]

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/20...-investigation

In the wake of the slaughters this summer at a Colorado movie theater and a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, we set out to track mass shootings in the United States over the last 30 years. We identified and analyzed 62 of them, and one striking pattern in the data is this: In not a single case was the killing stopped by a civilian using a gun. Moreover, we found that the rate of mass shootings has increased in recent years—at a time when America has been flooded with millions of additional firearms and a barrage of new laws has made it easier than ever to carry them in public. And in recent rampages in which armed civilians attempted to intervene, they not only failed to stop the shooter but also were gravely wounded or killed.

More broadly, attempts by armed civilians to stop shooting rampages are rare—and successful ones even rarer. There were two school shootings in the late 1990s, in Mississippi and Pennsylvania, in which bystanders with guns ultimately subdued the teen perpetrators, but in both cases it was after the shooting had subsided. Other cases led to tragic results. In 2005, as a rampage unfolded inside a shopping mall in Tacoma, Washington, a civilian named Brendan McKown confronted the assailant with a licensed handgun he was carrying. The assailant pumped several bullets into McKown and wounded six people before eventually surrendering to police after a hostage standoff. (A comatose McKown eventually recovered after weeks in the hospital.) In Tyler, Texas, that same year, a civilian named Mark Wilson fired his licensed handgun at a man on a rampage at the county courthouse. Wilson—who was a firearms instructor—was shot dead by the body-armored assailant, who wielded an AK-47. (None of these cases were included in our mass shootings data set because fewer than four victims died in each.)

interesting thing about this is i was visiting my mom in 2005 right before i shipped off to Korea. She lives in Tacoma, and we were heading to the mall where this shooting happened, but I wanted to stop by the Borders (or whatever bookstore it was) across the street to get some magazines and books for the long plane ride I had ahead of me. After I bought the books, we left and there were cops blocking all the entrances to the mall, so we just went home to grab some food, figuring there was a fire or something at the mall. Get home and turn on the TV and there's a reporter with the bookstore in the background doing a segment on what was happening. My mom and I just looked at each other (oO) I could have easily been a part of this shooting if I had not saw the book store and told my mom to head there.

[Ludomaniac]

They need to do something to control the guns. Have every registered owner take a test every 6 months that tests your mental state or something. And have it be very expensive to take, and if you dont take the test, your guns are seized. Raise the price of the guns, and the price of bullets. Have the laws for carrying a gun without a license a lot more severe.

Dont take away or ban the guns ( i wouldnt be against it though) but just do what i said. I think its the perfect thing to do

[DCSaints_fan]

What’s your answer to that? Is there some reason why the armed security guard is safe and helpful, but the armed teacher, administrator, or staffer — er, the teacher with a volunteer security guard license — would be useless and a menace?

Because the armed security guard only has to deal with security. He doesn't have to deal with what a teacher, administrator or staffer does.

[sacase]

When will people realize its not the guns it is the person. A deranged person will find a way to committ mass killings whether guns are availible or not. There will be a lot of bluster, but the guns in America are not going away, for that I am glad.

Maybe we should start making people take citizen tests to vote. Speech tests to talk freely, etc. Make people take tests on every single amendment in the bill of rights every six months so that they can enjoy their rights /sarcasm off