WE: After school shooting in Connecticut, Piers Morgan blasts America’s ‘gun madness’

[twa]

Are you kidding me, people want stricter DUI laws by the day.

A DUI law is like a concealed carry one,and governs the use(even zero tolerance for drivers only would impact a minor % of alcohol use)

I think they are asking for bans

[frostyj]

Ok, my 'knee jerk reaction' statement was out of line for this post, and I'm sorry if it came out wrong. I was making a broad statement for a lot of reactions that happen not just this tragedy, no matter if it's national or not. I like to be proactive and not reactive. There are lots of things that can be done, however I like many don't even know where to begin to try and make these changes.

Where is the outcry for the Chinese victims that I posted about that were harmed without a gun?? People will find a way to do what they want.

KingGibbs - I know you've been here a long time and I respect your posts. But you could re-read the rules and leave the vulgar name calling out.


Guns are a part of this country, what is wrong with teaching gun safety???

[Bang]

they should be allowed to with as few restrictions as is reasonable. .

Well, this is where that thought trips up.

Considering how often a mass shooting happpens (Or just your everyday single or double-person shooting), and how easily these loons are legally acquiring their weapons, the restrictions are NOT reasonable, and need to be reviewed.
The lack of security that allows these people to legally get their hands on arsenals of firearms, body armor, and massive drums of ammunition is unreasonable.

Reasonable. This is a powerful word. It can't be used unless it is ready to be heeded.

~Bang

[tshile]

Well, this is where that thought trips up.

Considering how often a mass shooting happpens (Or just your everyday single or double-person shooting), and how easily these loons are legally acquiring their weapons, the restrictions are NOT reasonable, and need to be reviewed.
The lack of security that allows these people to legally get their hands on arsenals of firearms, body armor, and massive drums of ammunition is unreasonable.

Reasonable. This is a powerful word. It can't be used unless it is ready to be heeded.

~Bang

So, in light of the recent events do you think taking the weapons from someone else then using them is legally acquiring them?

Because this guy wasn't allowed to buy guns when he tried. He took them from his mother. And according to you, he legally acquired it (using the generalizations you made).

[GoSkins561]

So, in light of the recent events do you think taking the weapons from someone else then using them is legally acquiring them?

Because this guy wasn't allowed to buy guns when he tried. He took them from his mother. And according to you, he legally acquired it (using the generalizations you made).

I agree, If its true, and the gun store did deny him, the gun laws that are in place worked

Officials: Lanza tried to buy a gun on Tuesday
Published: December 16, 2012 9:40 AM

http://www.news12.com/officials-lanz...1.4338884?qr=1

[frostyj]

So, in light of the recent events do you think taking the weapons from someone else then using them is legally acquiring them?

Because this guy wasn't allowed to buy guns when he tried. He took them from his mother. And according to you, he legally acquired it (using the generalizations you made).

Correct. CT law to buy guns is 21 and he was 20. He didn't just take them from her, he murdered her. Not legal in any book that I have read. The majority of the gun laws in place work. Some slip by and that's given. It's unfortunate a percentage always slips by any law.

[autoidiodyssey]

Are you kidding me, people want stricter DUI laws by the day.

Asking for stricter DUI laws is the same as asking for stricter penalties for gun crimes. No one is calling, at least that I have ever seen., for stricter controls on the ability to acquire alcohol. Which is what we are talking about here. Controls on the ability to acquire something that has been shown to be responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of people every year.

[Bang]

So, in light of the recent events do you think taking the weapons from someone else then using them is legally acquiring them?

Because this guy wasn't allowed to buy guns when he tried. He took them from his mother. And according to you, he legally acquired it (using the generalizations you made).

No, in light of years of posting on this mater, i have never ever said "take guns".

In fact, in that post,v i clearly indicate that I believe the key is in the registration process.
Weed them out.

None of this is 'according to me'

He got his guns from his mother, who legally acquired them even though he lived with her and would continue to live with her.
he wasn't allowed to buy them, so mom did. Great solution.. a complete failure of why there is a registration check in the first place. (Do you live with a mentally unstable person with a violent history and a condition known for it's lack of empathy and inability to discern right from wrong? Yes? Oh, well.. no gun for you.)
If you ran a liquor store, and a 14 year old walked up with a bottle of Jack would you sell it to him? Of course not.
what if he then handed it to the person behind him in line and said "Buy this and let me have access to it:".
Would you sell it to THAT guy knowing the kid was going to have access to it?

We are unable to discuss this, because all anyone hears is "TAKE" guns.
No. Make it harder for them to GET THEM.

~Bang

[County1883]

Ok, my 'knee jerk reaction' statement was out of line for this post, and I'm sorry if it came out wrong. I was making a broad statement for a lot of reactions that happen not just this tragedy, no matter if it's national or not. I like to be proactive and not reactive. There are lots of things that can be done, however I like many don't even know where to begin to try and make these changes.

Where is the outcry for the Chinese victims that I posted about that were harmed without a gun?? People will find a way to do what they want.

KingGibbs - I know you've been here a long time and I respect your posts. But you could re-read the rules and leave the vulgar name calling out.


Guns are a part of this country, what is wrong with teaching gun safety???

No worries mate.

As previously stated i love your country and i love my fellow 'skins. I hope you all find a suitable outcome.

God bless.

[aREDSKIN]

A gun enthusiast mother. Legally bought guns. A unstable son, both mentally and emotionally by the mothers own account and other too. Didn't seek professional help, for what ever reason. Mother really should have ensured that the guns were not accessible to the son IMO. Not the guns fault.

[Bang]

Comparisons to DUI etc.. I would suggest that even though people do drink and drive, the majority of them who do it do not do it intending to kill people.. but a person who armors up, gets a sack full of guns and heads for a mall certainly does.
These comparison are apples and oranges. these shootings aren't accidents caused by poor judgment and irresponsible behavior.
they're caused by a desire to kill a lot of other people.

~Bang

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A gun enthusiast mother. Legally bought guns. A unstable son, both mentally and emotionally by the mothers own account and other too. Didn't seek professional help, for what ever reason. Mother really should have ensured that the guns were not accessible to the son IMO. Not the guns fault.

Wouldn't you think given her son's condition that her registration should have been questioned? or do we just give it to her and hope she locks them up?
She apparently did not.

~Bang

[autoidiodyssey]

Well, this is where that thought trips up.

Considering how often a mass shooting happpens (Or just your everyday single or double-person shooting), and how easily these loons are legally acquiring their weapons, the restrictions are NOT reasonable, and need to be reviewed.
The lack of security that allows these people to legally get their hands on arsenals of firearms, body armor, and massive drums of ammunition is unreasonable.

Reasonable. This is a powerful word. It can't be used unless it is ready to be heeded.

~Bang

Would you consider the controls on alcohol, when compared to guns, to be reasonable? Taking into account that alcohol is responsible for more than double the number of deaths every year? I'm not saying nothing should be done, or that the systems in place can't be improved. I'm just trying to point out that the response to gun violence seems to far more passionate and the calls for further restrictions extremely loud. Meanwhile alcohol keeps on killing people with nothing more than an age limit.

[aREDSKIN]

---------- Post added December-16th-2012 at 03:29 PM ----------

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Wouldn't you think given her son's condition that her registration should have been questioned? or do we just give it to her and hope she locks them up?
She apparently did not.

~Bang

You assume that the son's condition was known before acquiring the guns. I just don't know the answer to that, yet. But in general terms I would not object to that line of questioning when tryingto buy a gun. However, I do know others would though.

[Bang]

Would you consider the controls on alcohol, when compared to guns, to be reasonable? Taking into account that alcohol is responsible for more than double the number of deaths every year? I'm not saying nothing should be done, or that the systems in place can't be improved. I'm just trying to point out that the response to gun violence seems to far more passionate and the calls for further restrictions extremely loud. Meanwhile alcohol keeps on killing people with nothing more than an age limit.

I think the comparison is idiotic.


A person who gets drunk and wrecks his car and kills someone typically didn't set out with the intent to kill anyone.

But every single one of these shooters do.

Comparisons are pointless.
We have a problem. That is inarguable.
Our question is what to do about it.
You seem to advocate the "cross your fingers and hope it never happens again" position.

~Bang

[frostyj]

Wouldn't you think given her son's condition that her registration should have been questioned? or do we just give it to her and hope she locks them up?
She apparently did not.

~Bang

No, it shouldn't have been. The back ground is on the individual, who knows who you may come in contact with. Even if it is a family member. Since the person getting the weapons is approved it is reasonable that they are following safe protocals. There is that word 'reasonable' again.
In this case, we don't know if he killed her and took a key to a safe or if they were bought for him or just in the open. We will never know since they are both dead.
That being said, I see what you're getting at and it is a great question, but how far do you take it?

If I have a family member that lives with me with no drivers license, am I not allowed to have a car in fear that they might drive it?