Painkiller. Did you miss where I said "Not all?"
Painkiller. Did you miss where I said "Not all?"
No, that's not all we think of. The irony in all this to me, is that after 9/11 for example many people who were for 'gun control' were also against ramped up security in airports and train stations. 'We can't give up our rights, because then the terrorists win' Why should it take me 30 minutes to get through customs? Intrusive searches...blah blah blah Remember? Now because of a few isolated incidents, which are admittedly tragic beyond belief...these same persons would gladly eliminate a right that Americans have enjoyed almost since our inception.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-...br /> NineItem
Just saying. If someone who is a very sick individual decides they are going to kill a lot of innocent people they are going to find a way to do it.
Last edited by Skinsfan In NM; December-18th-2012 at 07:40 AM.
Social media users around the country this weekend remarked on long lines and big crowds at gun stores, and wondered what connection those sales could have to Friday's horrific shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, in which a young man used his mother's semi-automatic rifle to murder 20 children and 6 adults.
Gun sales have at times spiked at times when talk of gun regulation turns serious — for instance, after President Barack Obama's first election — and gun owners believe they might soon be unable to obtain some heavy duty weaponry. The murders at Sandy Hook Elementary School prompted calls to revive the Clinton-era Assault Weapons Ban, though it's unclear whether any Republicans would support such a measure.
First off, any kind of gun ban would be based on new guns entering the market. The assault rifle ban would keep new guns from hitting the shelves, but what's there can still be sold. Also keep in mind that those guns that are already owned will not be taken away from gun owners. People will buy assault rifles now just because their value will increase tenfold with a ban.
Our country set itself down this path years ago when the Constitution was written.
We are knee deep in the issue now, and we won't rid ourselves of guns simply by banning them now.
Bad guys will still find ways to get guns. The only thing that stricter gun laws will do is prevent law abiding citizens from having arms to protect themselves. The only thing that can stop a maniac is another person that is armed. I don't believe that's a good thing, but that's the place we're at right now, unfortunately.
I think an assault rifle ban might be a good start. It's a step in the right direction. But it will hardly correct the issue that is in front of us.
I think the first step is finding a way to secure our schools. That needs to be priority A, number 1. There is no other more pressing issue. Schools should be the absolute safest place to be. The second priority shouldn't necessarily be stricter gun laws (though, I don't believe stricter gun laws are a bad thing) but rather stricter checks on allowing people to purchase weapons (NOT JUST GUNS!!!!) legally. If you have any history of mental illness, you cannot own a weapon. If you're married and your spouse has any sort of mental history, you cannot purchase a weapon. If you have children and they have mental history, you may not purchase a weapon. If there is any misdemeanor or felony charges on your record, you shouldn't be able to own a weapon.
The problem isn't necessarily the guns, it's the easy access to guns, both legally and illegally. You'll never prevent the bad guys from getting weapons. They'll find a way. But you can limit the stream of their availability by selling to ONLY people that don't have a checkered history.
But even that won't fully stop these kinds of things from happening. Some whack jobs are completely "normal" and then one day they snap.
I'm not sure there is an answer to any of this... But there sure are a TON of questions.
Last edited by KDawg; December-18th-2012 at 07:43 AM.
KDawg, you get it. Thank you. You seem like somebody who is willing to discuss finding a realistic and attainable solution, not just something that makes us feel better inside.
Here is the problem in a nutshell.
One side: 'I hope now your finally ready and willing to sit down and seriously discuss banning guns'
The other side: 'I hope now your finally ready and willing to sit down and seriously discuss finding real solutions to our problems. Leave my guns alone'
When not enough people are saying: 'I hope now we are ready and willing to sit down and discuss real solutions to our problems, and any useful suggestions or ideas that could help, to seriously include those that have nothing to do with the guns themselves are off the table.'
Last edited by Painkiller; December-18th-2012 at 07:57 AM.
To clear the air with you. I'm not advocating an all out gun ban (wouldn't oppose it either) but anyone opposing a assault weapons ban should have their head examined. Seriously. The only people that should have those weapons are military and police personnel.
Remove the bad ones (Assault Rifle) (Felony convicted Illegals)
Keep the good ones (regular weapon) (useful to society/youngsters)
create a program going forward to help assimilate and create a safer pathway
(Smaller/Smarter guns) and or (More legal immigration to begin with)
turn in your old gun for newer safer / register to become a legal citizen and go through the steps
If you are caught as either: fine/sentence (like Virginia) is automatically higher. http://www.dcjs.virginia.gov/researc...uation2001.pdf
Last edited by Thiebear; December-18th-2012 at 08:46 AM.
When a minority man kills someone in the inner city, its increase police presence and "why do THEY act that way."
Not saying anyone in here is doing that (havnet read all the posts) but its just funny how those are the different reactions.
You don't need an assault rifle if you have total and complete faith that our government will take care of us no matter what happens. I don't have that much faith in the system.
I think we got "lucky" in Aurora because the dope decided to use super high capacity drum magazines. Those are very prone to failure. I think the reports say this guy used 30 round magazines.
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