WE: After school shooting in Connecticut, Piers Morgan blasts America’s ‘gun madness’

[zoony]

I need to fit my keyboard with both for when I'm on ES.

I already have a silencer button.

I have both mounted on my.... Eh nevermind who am I kidding. I've been married 9 years

[Jumbo]

I've always sort of secretly wondered why don't we just ban bullets. You can have all the guns you want...but no bullets.

What a beautiful world it would be if they all shot flowers.

Want some of this? It's medicinal.

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I have both mounted on my.... Eh nevermind who am I kidding. I've been married 9 years

Lemme guess---bolt action single shot most of the time?

[zoony]

Nothing you said matters. Bat, knife, tire iron, eagles soaring.

Ok, I'll quit--don't ban me.

Well if you're chuck Norris....

Also, several bats carry rabies. No laughing matter

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What a beautiful world it would be if they all shot flowers.

Want some of this? It's medicinal.

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Lemme guess---bolt action single shot most of the time?

Flintlock... black powder

[Mad Mike]

Limit barrel length?, caliber?, what restrictions are we discussing? I merely conceded the above points of discussion. Mostly, I was trying to be funny - apparently I missed. I'm willing to change my thoughts and my stand on gun ownership, is the other side so willing?

Barrel length is already limited.

Caliber? What caliber would you restrict and why? I'm being rhetorical here because its just pointless to restrict types of ammo. ARs and other so called assault rifles can be built with MANY different calibers from .22 to .458 SOCOM.

http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/01/1...8-socom-ar-15/

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Well if you're chuck Norris....

Also, several bats carry rabies. No laughing matter

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Flintlock... black powder

This is the worst nightclub act ever.

[zoony]

This is the worst nightclub act ever.

It is free you know.

[DaGoonie55]

They all pierce flesh, yes? That's it. End of discussion. They are all equally deadly. The real question is what is the primary purpose (key word = primary)?

Sorry bud. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56%C3...oundinginfo-23 <note : the cite for this is a dead end - I will try and find it>

Combat operations the past few months have again highlighted terminal performance deficiencies with 5.56×45mm 62 gr. M855 FMJ. These problems have primarily been manifested as inadequate incapacitation of enemy forces despite them being hit multiple times by M855 bullets. These failures appear to be associated with the bullets exiting the body of the enemy soldier without yawing or fragmenting.
This failure to yaw and fragment can be caused by reduced impact velocities as when fired from short barrel weapons or when the range increases. It can also occur when the bullets pass through only minimal tissue, such as a limb or the torso of a thin, small statured individual, as the bullet may exit the body before it has a chance to yaw and fragment. In addition, bullets of the SS109/M855 type are manufactured by many countries in numerous production plants.

Although all SS109/M855 types must be 62 gr. FMJ bullets constructed with a steel penetrator in the nose, the composition, thickness, and relative weights of the jackets, penetrators, and cores are quite variable, as are the types and position of the cannelures. Because of the significant differences in construction between bullets within the SS109/M855 category, terminal performance is quite variable—with differences noted in yaw, fragmentation, and penetration depths. Luke Haag's papers in the AFTE Journal (33(1):11–28, Winter 2001) also describes this problem.

Nowhere near as deadly.

[Corcaigh]

Nothing you said matters. Bat, knife, tire iron, eagles soaring.

With my Batman Water Pistol you can violate the Defense Of Marriage Act too while you're at it.

[CTskins]

I've always sort of secretly wondered why don't we just ban bullets. You can have all the guns you want...but no bullets.

Bullets can be easily home made.

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I don't think that's the end of discussion at all. If the shooter had a Remington 700 with a 5 round magazine I bet someone could have charged him and taken him down.

It happened at the church shooting here in Knoxville. Which, IMO, could have been one of the worst in us history. Thankfully the shooter used a pump action shotgun and someone snuck up on him. Had he used a semi auto assault rifle I bet 50 people would have died in church that day. Instead I think it was 1 or 2 iirc

They all kill, they are all deadly. I wasn't necessarily responding to the scope of carnage. My return question regarding primary pupose carries an underlying inquiry? It is my experience that the responsible gun owner always has a purpose other than human carnage.

[DaGoonie55]

Barrel length is already limited.

Caliber? What caliber would you restrict and why? I'm being rhetorical here because its just pointless to restrict types of ammo. ARs and other so called assault rifles can be built with MANY different calibers from .22 to .458 SOCOM.

http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/01/1...8-socom-ar-15/

The AR-15 is my fetish. I know full well what a 7.62x39mm one can do up to and including 700m (optics/free floating barrell/random other lickey chewies) The ridiculousness that is a .50 BMG is simply amazing. My friend has an FN 5.7 upper receiver chambered for 5.7mm. Also a drool inducing target match. Just haven't had the economic freedom to purchase said item.

Back on topic - What else can we limit or ban? What will make people feel safe? I've listed silencers (already banned), barrell length (already limited), flash suppressors (I agree with - dual purpose but makes it easy for a sniper-type to pull off random shootings ), muzzle breaks (add accuracy for quick, follow up shots or in full auto scenarios), magazine size (was and will be regulated again), and someone mentioned pistol grips and collapsable stocks. What is left to change / regulate other than caliber and optics?

Noone without an elephant or kodiak bear license needs anything larger than 7.62 x XXmm. Even a well placed shot with a .308 will bring those down (but be on the safe side you crazy safari people). We can paint them orange so they are highly visible. It also makes it safer to walk in the woods. Optics - I'm all ears.

[zoony]

Bullets can be easily home made.

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Bullets, yes. Casings, powder, primer, no. Id say probably 1/10000 gun owners know how to reload. And none of them manufactrer their own casings i can guaran****ingtee you that.

Honestly I think you have a very limited understanding of what you're talking about. Looks like that's not getting in the way of your opinions. Which is nice.

[JMUSkins]

This is a very sensitive topic for me. I own a 9mm and a 12 ga shotgun. I love them and keep them secure. If people are so worried about availability, I wouldn't be against legislation requiring biometric access (finger print locks) to any gun in your house. Other than that, everyone needs to calm down and stop being so reactionary. The worst massacres in our history as a country were not committed with guns. It was planes and bombs.

[KDawg]

Make the legal gun owner to whom the gun is registered personally responsible and liable (and I don't mean a slap on the wrist, I mean mandatory jail time) for anything regarding that individual gun..

This is a good start to this issue.

[Jumbo]

This is a good start to this issue.

I've toyed with the thought of ID-tagged GPS's in guns just like cell phones. Put them in new ones and retrofit as many as possible.

(i imagine that would get a big negative reaction )

It would be just another possible step to more accountability, not a big solution.

It was a passing thought and I admit right up fort I haven't thought it through that much.

[alexey]

How about we outlaw thinking that guns are cool and fun

This is an interesting topic for me... as a kid I remember playing war, being shown bullets and thinking how awesome they are, etc. Now I am grown up a bit, did some reading on history of violence, etc, and pretty much despise all things that have the purpose of causing harm... yet I still feel a bit of that childhood fascination and coolness of guns. I then feel like I need to remind myself that war is ugly, that instruments of death are not cool, etc. (yes they are necessary for professionals)

I think that humans have this thing about forgetting the ugliness of war and violence, and ending up glorifying it.


I bet these shooters imagined themselves to be quite cool macho fellas walking and shooting with their guns and all. They imagined themselves doing that many times and thought they looked really cool while doing it. Maybe things would be different if we, as a society, had a widespread assumption that such imagery was pretty ****ing stupid and not cool at all.