WE: After school shooting in Connecticut, Piers Morgan blasts America’s ‘gun madness’

[twa]

It wasn't. Circumstances changed. .

changed how?
During the election people were dying at the same rate, and Peter assures me school shootings are extremely rare to the point they need no radical solution

Thierbear....make the trained professionals use tasers against deadly force if it is such a good idea.....till they agree I'll pass

[ixcuincle]

Air my grievances towards stupid politicians and old farts who think you become a murderer just by playing violent video games

Clowns like Joe Lieberman, Hillary Clinton, and Joe Manchin think that if I play GTA, I will steal a car and run over people on the street

It's just a ****ing cop-out which doesn't address the real issue

Let's not blame society but rather the media, violent movies, and games

If you're ****ed up you're going to remain disturbed whether these products exist or not. They have no link to violent behavior at all

[Thiebear]

changed how?
During the election people were dying at the same rate, and Peter assures me school shootings are extremely rare to the point they need no radical solution

Thiebear....make the trained professionals use tasers against deadly force if it is such a good idea.....till they agree I'll pass

Without the education/ad campaign and rewarding the use of you'll never get to that tipping point.
Or are you just sticking with "Pry them from my cold fingers bumper sticker?"

[Burgold]

changed how?

Really? Can you ask that?

I guess a Chernobyl shouldn't have changed Russia's nuclear policies and oversight or facility designs.

[PeterMP]

changed how?
During the election people were dying at the same rate, and Peter assures me school shootings are extremely rare to the point they need no radical solution

Thierbear....make the trained professionals use tasers against deadly force if it is such a good idea.....till they agree I'll pass

I have no problem with radical solutions if there is evidence that they are actually solutions and couldn't actually lead to more deaths.

[MartinC]

I have no problem with radical solutions if there is evidence that they are actually solutions and couldn't actually lead to more deaths.

Not to mention reinforcing the cultural issue which is at the heart of the problem to start with.

[ixcuincle]

http://twitter.com/Justin_Stangel/st...60688639528960

Some guy backed into my car in a parking lot. I blame video games and Hollywood for their violent movies.

[twa]

I have no problem with radical solutions if there is evidence that they are actually solutions and couldn't actually lead to more deaths.

Couldn't is a rather high burden.
Could you guarantee any restrictions on guns couldn't lead to more deaths?
Concealed carry seems to have reduced mass shootings and crime
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...gun-owners.htm
http://www.debate.org/debates/Concea...educe-crime/1/

[FletchLives]

Just because an argument doesn't support your personal views doesn't make it ridiculous.

No talk radio for me. Hate it. Hate the liberal media of CNN, NBC, MSNBC etc. too. I have a brain of my own and can form my own opinions.

Even ignoring the holocaust, you have Cambodia, China, Rwanda, Iraq, Japan, US (vs. Native Americans), Congo, N. Korea. The numbers are virtually beyond comprehension.

Do I think large scale genocide will happen in my lifetime? (I'm 40) Nah. I'm lucky to be living during this time in this great country.

Do I feel it will be an immediate concern to citizens of this country or their descendants at some point in the future? Absolutely. And I'm not willing to sell out the rights of my grandchildren and their children for my own feel good pseudo-safety today.

And I swear I joined this darn site to talk Skins! lol

[twa]

Really? Can you ask that?

I guess a Chernobyl shouldn't have changed Russia's nuclear policies and oversight or facility designs.

we could use the solution the rich do for their childrens security at school.... armed guards, usually police (or ex military)
come to think of it many parents also carry concealed

if it is good enough for them.....

[zoony]

Couldn't is a rather high burden.
Could you guarantee any restrictions on guns couldn't lead to more deaths?
Concealed carry seems to have reduced mass shootings and crime
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...gun-owners.htm
http://www.debate.org/debates/Concea...educe-crime/1/

So guarantees are now the litmus test for a proposed law's worth ? Interesting. Think you're being a bit inconsistent there. You could admit it or I could show you more specifically.

[twa]

So guarantees are now the litmus test for a proposed law's worth ? Interesting. Think you're being a bit inconsistent there. You could admit it or I could show you more specifically.

I am the one complaining about the request for a guarantee if you read it, but you can do as you wish

[AsburySkinsFan]

6,000,000 Jews WERE killed by the Nazis. These 6,000,000 Jews either did not own a gun to begin with, or were disarmed. This is historical fact, and perfect evidence of the "worst case scenario." AND In a conversation about gun control, human rights , and mass murder it is a very legitimate topic to bring up. People are kidding themselves if they don't believe anything like that could not be possible here.

Take a look at what happens to many cities and geographical areas after a large enough natural disaster hits. Chaos, large scale burglary and robbery, property destruction, ineffective law enforcement. Every man for himself.

Any monkey can play worst case scenario...but it takes true excellence in the craft to use for EVERY situation.

BTW, as long as we're talking facts England and Japan both have banned guns and they're not all NAZI tyrants. Personally, I believe it is a sign of intellectual laziness to blindly assume that no guns means we'll all soon find ourselves in the gas chambers. Because it simply isn't true! It is a paranoid lie that is told over and over again by intellectually lazy people to manipulate by fear other intellectually lazy people. The rest of us look around at the world and know that reality is different than that myth.

What's more is that the very same people who call themselves patriots and who bleed with a religious nationalistic fervor are the same one's who say we should distrust the government. The dichotomy is appaulling to say the least.

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I am the one complaining about the request for a guarantee if you read it, but you can do as you wish

No, you have already eliminated the very idea of gun control as a legitimate path...so in that respect you're worse than those demanding guarrantees, because at least they pretend to be open to the option if there were guarrantees.

[alexey]

...
Even ignoring the holocaust, you have Cambodia, China, Rwanda, Iraq, Japan, US (vs. Native Americans), Congo, N. Korea. The numbers are virtually beyond comprehension.

Do I think large scale genocide will happen in my lifetime? (I'm 40) Nah. I'm lucky to be living during this time in this great country.

Do I feel it will be an immediate concern to citizens of this country or their descendants at some point in the future? Absolutely. And I'm not willing to sell out the rights of my grandchildren and their children for my own feel good pseudo-safety today.
...

You are offering a false choice.

Our safety comes from our military, our government, our values, and our democratic institutions.

If a dictatorship takes root in the USA and gains support of the US Military, what kind of difference would gun enthusiasts be able to make? Let's be honest now. Military has stuff like tanks and helicopters. Things changed a bit since 1791.

[Special K]

Forgive me if this has already been brought up, I haven't been able to read every post in this extensive thread, but what are the downsides of placing national guard or military vets returning from war, looking for employment, at schools to provide security?

They have no link to violent behavior at all

Here are a couple studies that disagree with your assertion above...

1. http://pss.sagepub.com/content/12/5/353.short
(Meta-analytic review of scientific lit showing linkage between viewing violent video games and television)

2. http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~c...e_violence.pdf
(Review of studies suggesting correlation between aggressive behavior and chronic viewing of violent television and video games)

*Just a couple studies you can look up if you want and read the summaries in the abstracts. I'll be happy to provide more if you would like

As for "blaming" violent media/video games/television/etc., I don't think there is one person out there who SOLELY blames these as causative agents of mass murders. Instead, most rational people see that these activities potentially play a small role in facilitating an atmosphere conducive to development of violent thoughts and behavior. IMO, it is only the irrational person who does not see these as at least a minor piece of the puzzle in our society's affinity toward violence.