What are you proposing with video games? There are already age ratings on content. Are you advocating prosecution of parents?
Nutjobs take their inspiration from religion too. Should certain religious passages be banned?
What literature is prohibited? I've said it before, one of the most violent scenes I've experienced was a Shakespearean play where King Lear had his eyes ripped out on stage, live just a few feet from me. But that was world class acting with some convincing props.
I'm all behind an education campaign about the potential dangers of harmful content to the young and weak minded. You want video games to be included; I'd like certain religious texts. I'm sure others have some books on their list too.
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Oh bull**** Corcaigh. Gun deaths have "declined' due to stricter gun control laws. The fact that some of you accept a "decline" in gun deaths as a win says a lot about your character IMO.
If this country was ruled by making decisions after an emotionally draining event, we would live in a prison state. No one would be allowed to leave their house, and no one would own anything. Pathetic argument.
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One thing to consider is that while new regulations on guns are certainly needed, there are over 300 million privately owned firearms in the US. Nearly 50 percent of the population currently owns a gun. (And of course, these are just the people that own guns legally). If we somewhow confiscated 50 percent of the guns in the US, we would still have 100 times as many guns in private hands as Great Britain does. The numbers are simply staggering.
There were 51 gun deaths in Great Britain in 2011. There were 8,000 gun-related homicides in the US that year. And another 22,000 accidental firearm deaths.
Corcaigh can be certainly be too cute by half, but he is right in that our focus should not only be on mass killings - as terrible as that is.
Alaska has twice as many gun deaths every year as Great Britain.
Washington DC, Maryland and Virginia have 1500 gun deaths every year.
The mass killings are certainly related to our absolute failures in treating our mentally ill. But it's the day to day levels of gun violence that really make the US unique in the world.
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The frustration that I continually have with the US is that we don't like to talk about problems until there is a "crisis." The issues involving guns, mental health, and our culture of violence were the same two weeks ago as they are today. The difference is that today, there are people actually willing to talk about it.
That's why I get frustrated with the "reactionary" label. My views on the 2nd Amendment were the same 10 years ago. I assume they will be mostly the same 10 years from now. It's just that now someone might be willing to listen to them because 20 children have died.
(By the way....I'm terribly tempted to say 20 "white" children, but that will take this thread in yet another tangent. And Major Harris will then show up to yell at me).
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well, KG, I tend to agree on the intelligence being displayed, however,, the ridiculous comparisons to cars and spoons and paper hats has to stop.
these are not comparable. Not even slightly.
Anything can kill you.. I can choke you with feathers,, a peanut can kill some of you... shellfish can as well... to some it's so lethal that even a whiff of it can kill. But no one is comparing a jar of Skippy to a handgun because they know it's stupid. so why be as stupid with these other comparisons>?
So really, enough with the comparisons to things that can kill you.
guns have one purpose, and it's sole and only function is what allows it to be called a "peacemaker" and a "murder weapon" and anything else you want it to do. It's only function is to kill.
trying to compare them to anything else that has a primary purpose but can kill if misused is absolutely a dog-chase-tail argument. It is senseless.
So, my request would be to keep things intelligent, drop the stupid pointless comparisons. There is no comparison to these things.
Now, if you want to make a comparison, compare it to an atomic bomb, or some other device which has a primary function of killing people, and no other function at all.
THEN you've got a comparison.
I am not suggesting that violent video games reduce violence. Others are claiming that they are a significant factor in school massacres.
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Concrete statement about an opinion being more heavily weighted, as decided by you.Originally Posted by Koolblue13
I am not saying that you call people idiots, but the way you have framed your comments the last few pages makes it seem you have made a decision on what is right and wrong and respond to others trying to steer the conversation that way.
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Bang. I whole-heartedly agree with you in regards to comparisons. Like you said. The intent and sole intent of a gun is to kill and at a minimum, maim. There's no disputing that.
I hear people using the word "protection" when it comes to owning a gun. I just wonder how many stories are out there that involve a responsible civilian gun owner stopping a killing/crime? I don't hear them very often.
Our mass media glorifies gun violence. That's going to have to change for our culture to change.
I don't think censoring all types of media with gun violence would do much to stop the gun deaths though. Most gun deaths are not messed up white gamer kids shooting up a public place. Those are a tiny portion of overall gun violence in the country.
But I think in general, the culture around massively multiplayer online first person shooters is horrible for kids. First off, they shouldn't be playing the games themselves. Second, the amount of racist, homophobic, bullying, sexist, downright nasty **** people talk over those games awful and you've got millions of young children just being blasted by it (and taking part in it).
The game industry and movie and music industry basically do nothing to enforce the mature ratings they put on their products and I think their needs to be legislation strictly enforcing the mature ratings on games. In general, parents have proven wholly inadequate at enforcing the mature ratings. We need to make it as hard for kids to get their hands on these games as it is for them to get alcohol. Limit the places they can be sold, give out licenses that are subject to inspection just like places that sell alcohol.
User accounts for XBox Live and Playstation Network should not be anonymous and they should be more restrictive. They should force you into giving an accurate date of birth and they should ban users under the age limit for playing games like Call of Duty online. That's the whole appeal of them. If a parent is such an active ****-up that they'd make an account for their kids that bypassed that or let them use their own account then they should be banned and held responsible in the way they would for buying their child alcohol.
Make game manufacturers and first party console developers more responsible for who plays their games and they will change their ways. You'll see fewer games that glorify realistic gun violence like CoD because they won't be the cash cow they are now and some won't be worth the head aches. You'll get more toned down and tasteful games to try and get under the mature ratings.
I don't know how you legislate movies and music though. And they are just as influential as video games. You won't be able to do anything without making them SIGNIFICANTLY harder to pirate.
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