What Do You Think About the Chippiness/Taunting/****-Talking?

[brandymac27]

I'm fine with the attitude and not taking crap, having confidence and showing you won't back down and also having swagger so long as their play backs it up. But when it leads to a foolish act like what Morgan did vs. the Rams that crosses the line (though Morgan was being aggravated). Garcon's penalty was pretty ticky-tacky IMO.

I found this yesterday LOL:

Wide receiver Pierre Garcon, a Mount Union product who signed with the Redskins in the offseason after the Browns targeted him in free agency, had a team-high six catches and also recovered a fumble late in the game that could have given the Browns a chance to come back. He also trash talked with a couple of members of the Browns’ defense, particularly cornerback Joe Haden and linebacker D’Qwell Jackson.

“[Garcon] talks too much,” Jackson said. “It’s like, ‘Who are you talking to?’ I’m too old. Hey, I used to do it when I was young. … You just always hear him. He’s fiery, I get it. But I’m not that guy. … I don’t have time for that. Line up at running back, then you can talk to me.”

Haden downplayed the trash talking, which included a 15-yard taunting penalty on Garcon.

“I wasn’t really worried about Garcon,” Haden said. “I mean, I did my thing against him. … But Garcon is a really good receiver and I don’t want to take anything away from him.”

Garcon finished with 65 receiving yards.

“It was just football,” Garcon told reporters after the game. “Those guys [Jackson and Haden] love playing football. They’re passionate about it. They’re the cornerstones of the defense, so they have to bring their emotion. I have to bring my emotions.”

http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/br...lling-1.358348

[Forehead]

Eh, I'm old fashioned, I don't like seeing it. Make a play, get back in the huddle. Save the celebrating for getting in the end zone, not for a first down.

The OP is flawed by the way, revisionist history that occurs on this board. Josh Morgan didn't cost us the Rams game, he cost us a better chance at it. Still would have been a 47 yarder with Billy Cundiff kicking, far from a guarantee.

[RonArtest15]

Emotions are running high. If you've played any level of competitive sport, you'd know it happens. I have no issue with it.

[Riggo#44]

I found this yesterday LOL:

http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/br...lling-1.358348

That line from Haden is laughable. He did his thing: A big uncalled PI, 2 uncalled holdings. And Garcon still had 6 catches on you. Oh yeah, don't forget the blatant uncalled taunting, standing over Morgan after a big hit...

[santana_4_prez]

How can you not admire 88 for his enthusiasm? Dude gives it 110% every play. I'm glad to see somebody with fire. He has recovered at least 2 key fumbles this year because he puts his heart and soul in it. He's a monster.

[JimboDaMan]

There was nothing wrong with what Garcon did. I don't have a problem with the ball-spinning, much prefer it to the prancing first-down signals a lot of guys give. Garcon carried it a tiny bit farther by pointing to THE BALL and saying something. But it wasn't over the top and wasn't even close to somethiing that should have been called. How the defender doesn't get called for an unsportsmanlike physical shove after the play, but we get 15 yards for saying something mean TO A FOOTBALL, is beyond strange.

Having said that, it appears clear that we are getting called for behavior that many other guys get away with routinely. It isn't fair, and it isn't professional by the officials to do this. But since it seems to be something we'll have to deal with, time to tighten up on any extracurricular activities. What to we want to do, complain about how it isn't fair or go out and win football games?

[stevemcqueen1]

Garçon should've spun the ball over joe Haden's ugly face and ripped off his elf ears and shove them up evan roysters ass

[brandymac27]

[Renegade7]

Football is psychological as well. We're not just beating them on the field, we're beating them in their heads as well. Constantly running the ball to wear them, getting in opposing teams face if they piss us off. We're a mean football team that wants to dominate people. I'm fine with it, losing all these years, as long as we don't get stupid penalties for it.

[doghouse4x4]

Garçon should've spun the ball over joe Haden's ugly face and ripped off his elf ears and shove them up evan roysters ass

[acuratl1984]

Garcon straight up owned Harden all day yesterday, I think there was at lease 3 separate times that he was pulling/grabbing Garcon because he got burnt.

[Cpt Chaos]

I have been a huge fan of the ball spin since Santana brought it to our team years ago. I was happy to see that he passed it on to Garcon. However, I think Garcon does it too much. Santana usually reserves it for a touchdown or 3rd down conversion. Garcon does it after every reception. Though I'm not opposed to seeing it, I've been anticipating a taunting or delay of game--particularly when he does it as a ref is reaching for the ball--for several weeks now. Pierre brings some much needed energy and swag to our receiving core, so I'm all for the enthusiasm. Just hope he's learned to limit the celebrating if he's gonna become our go-to guy.

HAIL

[dolver]

Put it this way - imagine RG3 running for a first down. Can you imagine him getting in the opponent's face about it? Going up to a LB and trash talking?

I seriously doubt it. Not to say he doesn't celebrate good plays, but he does it in a classy way.

Now, of course, different guys have different roles on the team and trash talking can be a great tactical advantage, but when I watch Pierre, I tend to think that he is not being tactical, but letting his emotions get the best of him, which is where I think the problem comes in.

All of that said, he clearly provides more positives than negatives, so that is why there isn't a bigger concern here.

[MassSkinsFan]

If you've played any level of competitive sport, you'd know it happens.

Most of us have. What's that got to do with whether he should be celebrating every little play?

I love that Garcon is so charged up, but he can celebrate without doing things that allow the refs to give him a cheap penalty. By not spinning the ball after a routine first down, he avoids being penalized, which makes him an even stronger weapon. I think that's what people are arguing here.

[GoDeep81]

Bottom line is, the "ballspin" is a rule violation and could be called every time.. Today it didnt cost us, but I dont see why Shanny lets this stuff continue in a game that's won/lost by inches.. Makes no sense to me.. Save that stuff for after a TD, so at least you've got points on the board.. But just because the refs let it go "most of the time" does not make me feel at all comfortable that it wont end up costing us dearly at some point..