Sources: Tim Tebow QUIT on his Jets teammates today

[Hitman21ST]

Yeah, we know. But I wish you guys could have seen Quinn vs Carolina. I couldn't believe my eyes. He played out of his mind that day. And then after the game, not sure if you guys heard about it, but he delieverd some of the best quotes I've ever heard in my life. It was pertaining to the Belcher murder-suicide thing. Quinn scored major props from me for his comments.

I caught bits and pieces of it. He was damn good that day.

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

Asia: you keep bringing up the fact that Tebow only beat one team above .500, yet when I say that your boy Cam's only beaten ONE team with a winning record that had their starting QB, you just gloss over it. Funny how that works. And Cam's played nearly two full seasons.

Cam has never had talent around him as good as Tebow. Eric Decker and Dede Thomas are a good set of WRs,better than what Cam has. Elvis Dumervil and Von Miller are showing this season that it was not Tebow made them play well, and they had Champ and Bdawk on defense (as it was pointed out to you with statistics that you chose to dismiss because "Mike and the Clown" on Charlotte said otherwise, the Panthers defense is terrible). Willis McGahee at running back and a really good offensive line.


In fact, that's the only situation Tebow can do a mediocre job at, when he has a lot of talent around him. It was like that at Florida too.

---------- Post added December-26th-2012 at 08:21 AM ----------

Asia: you keep bringing up the fact that Tebow only beat one team above .500, yet when I say that your boy Cam's only beaten ONE team with a winning record that had their starting QB, you just gloss over it. Funny how that works. And Cam's played nearly two full seasons.

you never mentioned it (its also untrue).

Cam has a really bad football team around him.

---------- Post added December-26th-2012 at 08:25 AM ----------

You want to know a big reason why the defense started playing better?

Because Tebow doesn't turn the ball over and doesn't put them in a bad position. He gets the team believing.

Idk about the bad position part because Denver lead the league in 3 and outs during his stretch as a starter, but I did mention that Tebow doesnt throw interceptions being a good thing.

But it had nothing to do with "believing" and everything to do with knowing they had to do more because the offense was garbage.

Even though it wasnt a named person, here is what some Broncos said about Tebow last season

"Of course we're comparing this year to last year," said another player. "This year we won the division with four games left. That's all Peyton Manning. If Tebow was here, we'd still be squeaking out wins, or losing games we shouldn't be losing. The division would be coming down to the last game.

"I've been following Tim in New York and I feel horrible for him. Everyone here, I think, wants the best for him. He's a good guy. But you can't turn Tim into something he's not, and he's not really an NFL quarterback. He's more of a gimmick player."

One huge takeaway I got from speaking to Broncos players about Tebow was their gratitude toward John Elway, the team's general manager, who pushed to sign Manning.

"By bringing in Peyton, we can compete with any team in football," one player explained, "Peyton is obviously that good."

He added: "I'm watching Tim and wishing him well but glad I'm here with Peyton."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mi...-for-tim-tebow


They know it too.

---------- Post added December-26th-2012 at 08:26 AM ----------

Skip Bayless used to have some really good facts everytime someone tried to use the "it was the Denver defense" spill. I remember he used to quote all sorts of 4th quarter stats that Tebow led in, or was the top of the charts at. I know comeback wins was one of them. I even think maybe he might have had the best QB rating in the 4th. Stuff like that. Wish I could remember all of his stats. I know I was even surprised by some of them.

remember earlier, you said that you didnt listen to Skip Bayless, now you are trying to cite him. Filed.

And I can't believe Asia is using the "you do know Tebow is about to be on this 3rd team in 4 years" bit.

is he or is he not about to be on his 3rd team in 4 years? I only mentioned it in response to Brady Quinn being on his 3rd team in 6 years. Is it wrong or not?

[pjfootballer]

Why is this bum still in the league? And why are we still talking about him? Go to the Canadian league and work on your game and stay there and never come back

Why does everyone think crappy QBs in the NFL will be better in the CFL? I watch alot of CFL when it's on and you have to be able to throw in that league alot more than the NFL.

---------- Post added December-26th-2012 at 11:52 AM ----------

Reading defenses in this league is WAY overrated. It comes down to guessing on many occasions and one would rather be lucky than good.

Tebow gets heat because of his pro-life position. Pretty obvious really. Lots of athletes express their faith and get little to no heat for it.

Doesn't matter if Tebow believes in ghosts- he can't throw

Doesn't matter if Tebow believes in reincarnation- he can't throw

Doesn't matter if Tebow can't read a defense- he can't throw

Doesn't matter if Tebow can't read brail- he can't throw

Doesn't matter if Tebow is Pro-Syrup on his pancakes- he can't throw

Doesn't matter if Tebow is Pro-Butter on his pancakes- he can't throw

(See where I'm going here?)

Doesn't matter if Tebow wears Uggs on Saturday- he can't throw

Doesn't matter......he CAN'T throw!!!!!

[Bang]

Tebow gets heat because of his pro-life position. Pretty obvious really. Lots of athletes express their faith and get little to no heat for it.

This is a ridiculous assumption.
Tebow's faith is pretty much one of the few reasons why he's still news.
(Note,, below, please understand that none of the things I will type are anything i consider negative. I admire Tim Tebow.)

Tebow's faith and his clean cut image are one of the prime reasons why he achieved so much popularity last year.
granted, the Broncos did well, and he did interesting things in the win streak, but really, the reason why HE became such a major star has a lot to do with how good he is (in his heart, not necessarily on the field).
He made exciting highlight reel plays, and he made one of the best sports stories in 2011.. his own personal image is a great angle toward the story.
He's every mother's dream.. good kid, good looking, humble. Easy to market. People may get sick of his over-exposure, but if a person didn't LIKE him, I'd have to wonder why.
The NFL loves guys like this.. he makes the entire sport look good. What's not to like? All of it is genuine.

I think if Tebow is getting ANY heat, it's because he's associated with an absolute plane crash of a team.. but he's more or less an innocent bystander.
for one, he's probably not capable of playing QB in the NFL.. every bit of scouting says so. That's not his fault. He can only do what he can do.
the fact the Jets brought him in isn't his fault, nor is it his fault that the Broncos dropped him (which I think was a mistake)
the fact the jets won't play him isn't his fault, unless you do fault him for not being talented enough to play NFL QB.
the fact the fans expect more than he can deliver isn't his fault, especially when you figure he wont' even get much chance to show it.
the fact the media have made him a star isn't his fault, and he's been very gracious in handling it.

I don't think anyone gives Tebow heat.. none of what has happened is anything he could do anything about, or caused in the first place.
The Jets were literally the absolute worst place he could have gone. (that goes for almost everyone else, too.. but magnified for him.)
I actually applaud him for standing up and demanding out.


~Bang


Addendum,, since he's the topic and i brought this up,... the Broncos made a mistake in trading tebow.
Their thinking,,
A/ elway thinks he can't play QB,, which is pretty damning, and my statement about why I believe it's a mistake has that fact planted firmly in the corner.
B/ If Manning falters, Tebow could be a distraction because the fans would call for him.

I think it's a mistake because
A/ I would never argue with Elway on his point. And truth is, his opinion on Tebow's passing probably makes everything else moot. BUT..
B/ If manning falters or gets hurt, you know what Tebow can do, and you know the team will follow him. Considering manning never gets hurt, this point also may be moot, BUT
C/ if you know tebow is a positive presence on the team, if you know that they can win with him if need be, the problem becomes the passing issue,, and who could be a better teacher than Manning? if it doesn't work out and he never improves, oh well, you waste a roster spot for a couple years (A roster spot that is wasted anyway. Overall, manning's backups usually only see action AFTER they've clinched.)
if it works, well, now your set when manning retires.

worth the risk, in my mind. After all, a first round pick, you kind of owe it to yourself to try, eh?

~Bang

[Hitman21ST]

Cam has never had talent around him as good as Tebow. Eric Decker and Dede Thomas are a good set of WRs,better than what Cam has. Elvis Dumervil and Von Miller are showing this season that it was not Tebow made them play well, and they had Champ and Bdawk on defense (as it was pointed out to you with statistics that you chose to dismiss because "Mike and the Clown" on Charlotte said otherwise, the Panthers defense is terrible). Willis McGahee at running back and a really good offensive line.


In fact, that's the only situation Tebow can do a mediocre job at, when he has a lot of talent around him. It was like that at Florida too.

7-3 as a starter is mediocre?

But yeah, Tim was definitely mediocre at Florida, winning two national championships and a Heisman trophy. Those things are handed out like lollipops at the doctor's office, right?

[Bang]

7-3 as a starter is mediocre?

But yeah, Tim was definitely mediocre at Florida, winning two national championships and a Heisman trophy. Those things are handed out like lollipops at the doctor's office, right?

Well, he is limited in what he can do as a pro. So far, that's for sure.
And a nice way of saying it, too.

~Bang

[Hitman21ST]

Well, he is limited in what he can do as a pro. So far, that's for sure.
And a nice way of saying it, too.

~Bang

Never said he wasn't. But it's hard to argue with the results.

[I_Bleed_B&G]

Why does everyone think crappy QBs in the NFL will be better in the CFL? I watch alot of CFL when it's on and you have to be able to throw in that league alot more than the NFL.[COLOR="Gold"]

Because it means we don't have to hear about him here, in the NFL. I could care less if he goes to the CFL, Euro Champions league or World Cricket League. I just don't want to here about him in the NFL ever again. If you say they throw more in the CFL, good... he'll have no choice but to learn to throw better.

[Bang]

Never said he wasn't. But it's hard to argue with the results.

True.
I'd counter and say it's hard to argue with Elway.
can those results be duplicated?
That would be the $64 question.
If i had to bet my franchise on it, i'd say no.

~bang

[Hitman21ST]

True.
I'd counter and say it's hard to argue with Elway.
can those results be duplicated?
That would be the $64 question.
If i had to bet my franchise on it, i'd say no.

~bang

That's a good point also. But no one in their right mind is going to not pick Peyton over Tebow. Elway made the right choice, he sold high.

But Tebow still got a raw deal in New York.

[pjfootballer]

Because it means we don't have to hear about him here, in the NFL. I could care less if he goes to the CFL, Euro Champions league or World Cricket League. I just don't want to here about him in the NFL ever again. If you say they throw more in the CFL, good... he'll have no choice but to learn to throw better.

Sorry. I wasn't trying to argue with you persay. I understand and agree with you that I'm tired of hearing about Tebow. I was more or less defending the CFL. During the NFL lockout last year, I was watching 2 games a week on NFLN and last summer I was catching the games on NBC Sports Network (aka Versus) and they play an entirely different style game because of the 3 downs max, the bigger field and the liberal use of motion (as many WRs as they want can go into motion). So they are throwing alot more then they do in the NFL. And with only 1st and 2nd downs (they punt on 3rd) to get the first down, you have to maximize the play calling. Tebow would look worse in the CFL.

[NLC1054]

The level of hatred Tim Tebow generates is pretty much, mostly, not his fault.

We've been hearing about Tim Tebow since, what, his junior year in high school? And then he had all that success in college and that got the hype train wound up even more for him, and then he came to the NFL, and in 2011 we thought it reached it's peak. And then ESPN pretty much embarassed themselves (and NFL Network to a lesser but still noticeable extent) this summer with wwha seemed like 24/7 Tebow coverage.

And what makes it all the more annoying to people is that he seems like a genuinely good person. And people, for whatever reason, ****ing hate that. Probably because he gets more press for being a good person than just about any other good person not named Mother Theresa or Jesus.

This thread smacks of someone who has just been waiting for some sort of would be Tim Tebow scandal so they can finally scream "SEE! SEE! I TOLD YOU HE WAS A HORRIBLE PERSON! I WAS RIGHT! I WAS RIGHT!". Tebow has basically been a complete and utter non-factor this year. Even ESPN dialed back their coverage of him. And yet he still illicits reactions of hatred, even when he''s not doing anything at all.

It's always funny seeing people get so bent out of shape about a guy that they actually hope he never plays football ever again. That's kind of a dick move, basically wishing unemployment on someone because, through no fault of his own, he gets a ton of press.

[Mr. Sinister]

IIRC in the CFL, the fields are longer/wider, and obviously the competition isn't as great. I honestly don't even know if Tebow would be great in the CFL. He's that bad of a passer.

[I_Bleed_B&G]

The problem with Tebow is that he sucks as a QB and he isn't going to get any better. His throwing motion is horrible. He is also at fault for thinking he can play the position that requires him to throw. It ain't happening in this league. He needs to accept the fact that if he wants to play football, he may have to switch positions. His only chance of playing QB in the NFL is probably with Jacksonville and that will quickly show that he can't throw. His mechanics are putrid.

I don't doubt he is a nice dude. He just can't play the QB position in this league and he needs to accept that and move on and try playing another position if any coaches will allow it. If you can't be a backup to Dirty Sanchez, then you got problems

[gridironmike]

Well, he is limited in what he can do as a pro. So far, that's for sure.
And a nice way of saying it, too.

~Bang

He is limited by the organization he is in. It was fun to watch him last year and it was somewhat intriguing because a coach/organization decided to do something completely unconventional and try something new. It reminds me of what another team has decided to do this year with a certain Heisman qb. Now another team that had a playoff-winning QB has decided to bench him and do the same thing and scrap/limit this conventional stuff for something new, exciting and effective with a qb that has a different skill set.