Michael Vick on RGIII: His style originates from me

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

That's not what Vick said though. He said RGIII's personal playing style is based off his, which is not true at all. An offensive scheme is one thing but RGIII is not a Vick-style QB.

yeah, thats what I dont agree with. RG3 clearly doesnt play like Vick.

[Wildbunny]

Randall Cunningham: "hello?"

Yeah, that's what I think. Cunningham bringed much more to the game and perhaps RG3 than Vick could ever dream of.

Looks like the guy doesn't even know who Cunningham was.

That guy just suck. If RG3 got inspiration from Vick, I'm wondering why is he playing so great

[NoCalMike]

Vick is athlete that a coach thought he could surprise some folks by putting the football in his hand. His entire game was based off his ability to run. We've already seen what happens when you take away Vick's threat as a runner. He simply is not a great QB. He is a great athlete that folks attempted to make into a great QB.

RGIII on the other hand is a QB that happens to have the same intangibles as Vick as far as being an athlete goes. For the naysayers, go watch the 'Skins/Eagles game, RGIII had no ability to run at all, and he still was making very accurate passes. That TD pass to Moss that he dropped into the corner of the endzone was a thing of beauty that only an elite passer could make. Someone on ESPN radio even said a pass like that, with the right amount of touch, velocity, placement is the kind of pass you only see maybe once a month in the NFL from the very elite.

The Eagles knew very quick on Sunday RGIII was not going to be the running threat he has been the entire season and they still couldn't stop his passing.

[Dallsux]

There were scarmbling QBs in the NFL before Vick, but he was the first one that had coaches design an offense around his running ability because it was so much faster than everyone on the field. Its what the Shannahans are doing with RG3.

Umm, no he wasn't. Like I said, Vick was just the latest in a line of QBs that coaches orchestrated the offense around because of their abilities. Vick didn't originate anything.

[AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy]

Maybe they'll do a similar interview with Quincy Carter before the game on Sunday.

[Skins199021]

I may get **** for this, but prime vick was much more elusive in the open field than RG3. In the pocket both are crazy, but vick with the falcons was just ridiculous

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

Umm, no he wasn't. Like I said, Vick was just the latest in a line of QBs that coaches orchestrated the offense around because of their abilities. Vick didn't originate anything.

Ummm, yes he was. Run D(uckett) V(ick) D(unn) was an offense that was designed specifically because of Vick's speed and running ability.

You are confusing scrambling QBs to QBs who had an offense built around their running abilities. Randall Cunningham had to do 7 step drop backs behind an awful OLine in Philly. Steve Young ran the WCO and only ran when a play broke down. McNabb was like Young as well in that Reid's WCO didnt feature his running ability.

The Offense they had in Atlanta was different from that and was the first to feature that, and be successful at it.

Vick is right in that teams stopped shying away from athletic QBs who could throw the ball, but he is very wrong in comparing himself to RG3. RG3 is a better passer and decision maker now than Vick has ever been in his career.

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I may get **** for this, but prime vick was much more elusive in the open field than RG3. In the pocket both are crazy, but vick with the falcons was just ridiculous

you shouldnt get anything from it, you are 100 percent right. Vick was faster and a better runner than RG3.

Vick's problem were that he didnt learn the game as well as RG3 has, and Vick wasnt as good of a passer even though his arm is better than RG3's.

[Skins199021]

Ummm, yes he was. Run D(uckett) V(ick) D(unn) was an offense that was designed specifically because of Vick's speed and running ability.

You are confusing scrambling QBs to QBs who had an offense built around their running abilities. Randall Cunningham had to do 7 step drop backs behind an awful OLine in Philly. Steve Young ran the WCO and only ran when a play broke down. McNabb was like Young as well in that Reid's WCO didnt feature his running ability.

The Offense they had in Atlanta was different from that and was the first to feature that, and be successful at it.

Vick is right in that teams stopped shying away from athletic QBs who could throw the ball, but he is very wrong in comparing himself to RG3. RG3 is a better passer and decision maker now than Vick has ever been in his career.

---------- Post added December-25th-2012 at 01:03 PM ----------



you shouldnt get anything from it, you are 100 percent right. Vick was faster and a better runner than RG3.

Vick's problem were that he didnt learn the game as well as RG3 has, and Vick wasnt as good of a passer even though his arm is better than RG3's.

yea i would put that on Vick's coaches. They basically told vick to do whatever he wanted in their pro style offense. They didn't really try and assimilate him to the NFL game passing wise it ATL

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

yea i would put that on Vick's coaches. They basically told vick to do whatever he wanted in their pro style offense. They didn't really try and assimilate him to the NFL game passing wise it ATL

I would, they ran the first read-option in the NFL, that Ive seen.

They would line up with Duckett and Dunn in the backfield in a bunch formation and Vick would decide who would run the ball.

The difference between that and what RG3 is doing is that RG3 got the option to pass the ball as well out of the read-option. Vick would be asked to run.

[HailToTheRedskins14]

Methinks there were running quarterbacks in the NFL long before Vick.

That's cause Vick is likely not a student of the game like the greats (Peyton, Brady, etc.). Vick has probably never heard of Fran Tarkenton.

[veteranskinsfan]

I was never a fan of Michael Vick even when he was in college. Hope he goes to the Jets next year and lets see what is left of his career. RGIII appears to want to learn from his coaches and use the skills he has to maximize his potential. Vick does not appear to be a "student of the game" like other quarterbacks who rolled out and did not stay in the pocket. I wonder if he ever watched on film the work of other famous Hall of Fame quarterbacks who came before him. Vick let Andy Reid down this year.

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

It was a "me" moment.

[NoCalMike]

Also, a big difference between RGIII & Vick in their early year(s). Was that in Atlanta, the offense was designed around the coaches telling Vick to snap the ball and basically "go out there and do what Vick does" You would see after the ball was snapped, if the first read was covered, Vick turned into a hot mess behind the line of scrimmage. He would often run all over the place, hoping someone would eventually break free.

If RGIII was told by coaches simply to "go out there and do what RGIII does" He would probably look similar as far as elusiveness and quickness goes. The result would probably be a lot more sportscenter highlights complete with Stuart Scott going "Wham, Bow, Zing, Gotcha, Wowy-Wow" but the 'Skins would be losing games, and RGIII's passing game would be suffering. The difference is, Mike Shanahan is not going to allow RGIII to simply go out there and be "an athlete with the football in his hands"

It's almost as if when Vick broke into the league, the coaching staff in Atlanta was so taken a'back by his athleticism, they had no idea how to actually design an offense to reign in a balance between him being an athlete, and actually trying to design a way for him to become an efficient passer. It was much more of a "Go out there and do what you do, dawg" situation.

When Vick got to Philly, you saw Reid actually attempt to tone Vick's careless ways down, and it worked for a short stint, however once the NFL adjusted to the new Vick, it became apparent that he just didn't have the pocket passer chops to cut it as an elite QB. Vick, minus the athletic dynamics is not an elite passer.

That is the MAIN difference.

RGIII can get it done with the passing game, and his athleticism is an added threat.

[Smooters]

I didn't know RG3 killed dogs.

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

There is NO comparison between the two. Vick isn't, wasn't, and has never been half the passer and leader RG3 is.