Michael Vick on RGIII: His style originates from me

[Morneblade]

I may get **** for this, but prime vick was much more elusive in the open field than RG3. In the pocket both are crazy, but vick with the falcons was just ridiculous

Too bad he is a lousy QB. Should have played another position and he might have been something.

[BKSkinsFan]

Vick was amazing to watch in Atlanta, but I honestly don't see RG3 being anything like him. They're both fast, that's where the similarities end. Vick had great elusiveness out of the pocket, Griff more of a straight line runner who hits the corner and takes what he can get. Biggest difference is football intelligence, and RG3 has shown more in 1 season than Vick can show in a lifetime.

[Spaceman Spiff]

There are posts here slamming Vick for being dumb (he is) and posts slamming him for not recognizing those who came before him (he doesn't). When you realize the guy is a dumb as a brick, you can't be surprised that he's ignorant about Cunningham, Tarkenton, Young and others.

Amazing how RG3 is light years ahead of Vick in practically every way possible and he's just scratching the surface. There is no limit to his future...Vick's limit was himself, both on and off the field. Didn't work at his craft and then screwed it all up with his illegal activities.

[Tyron Biggums]

Hahahahaha.. Thank You for the laugh.+1

---------- Post added December-25th-2012 at 07:25 PM ----------

According to the dog butcher, Robert is a cornball runner

This is classic thank you sir

---------- Post added December-25th-2012 at 07:26 PM ----------

According to the dog butcher, Robert is a cornball runner

This is classic thank you sir

[Dallsux]

Ummm, yes he was. Run D(uckett) V(ick) D(unn) was an offense that was designed specifically because of Vick's speed and running ability.

You are confusing scrambling QBs to QBs who had an offense built around their running abilities.

You're probably right. Maybe I am thinking of scrambling QBs, but it seems to me that there were offenses built around the QBs abilities to run (ie. Warren Moon, Fran Tarkenton), but honestly, I don't know enough to recall the details of the offenses they were running.

[DeadExField]

No use in even having this discussion. Vick didn't invent world class speed or the choice to use it in the Kyle Shanahan offense. It's not a 'style', it's a gameplan. Speed is not something you can learn, or invent lol

[Burgold]

That's cause Vick is likely not a student of the game like the greats (Peyton, Brady, etc.). Vick has probably never heard of Fran Tarkenton.

or the fact that once the forward pass was illegal and all quarterbacks could do was run!

[pjfootballer]

Ummm, yes he was. Run D(uckett) V(ick) D(unn) was an offense that was designed specifically because of Vick's speed and running ability.

Ever hear of Bobby Douglass? He was probably the first to have an offense designed around his abilities in the modern era.

http://chicago.sbnation.com/2010/8/3...bobby-douglass

More than 40 years ago, the Bears turned to another young, mobile, tall, blond quarterback to lead them back to the glory that seemed to be seeping away with the aging of George Halas and injuries to key players. After the 1968 season, the Bears needed a QB. They had dispatched the talented Virgil Carter to Cincinnati after he called Halas "chicken****", abbreviated to "chicken-bleep" in the newspapers of the time; Rudy Bukich was ancient (36 was considered ancient in those pre-Brett Favre days), and Jack Concannon was erratic.
So the Bears spent a second-round draft pick in 1969 on a 6-4, blond hard thrower out of the University of Kansas, Bobby Douglass. Douglass had led Kansas to its first Big Eight title in 20 years and was one of the tallest QB's in his era.
He was also lefthanded. At the time Douglass was drafted, a lefthanded QB was viewed like a lefthanded catcher in baseball would be -- a freak, a rarity. Since then, of course, men like Steve Young, Boomer Esaison and Ken Stabler have become stars and thrown from the left side, but only four of them had played in the league before Douglass. The best-known of those was Allie Sherman, who later became coach of the New York Giants in the early 1960's. Offensive sets weren't drawn up for lefthanded quarterbacks... and the Bears, who were changing coaches in 1969, didn't really have anything for Douglass, who didn't play until the season's sixth game and whose only win that year wound up costing the Bears. On November 9, 1969 at Wrigley Field, Douglass threw a pair of touchdown passes and led the Bears to a 38-7 win over the Pittsburgh Steelers. It was the Bears' only win of the year; they wound up tied with the Steelers at 1-13 for the league's worst record. In those years, a coin flip was the tiebreaker. The Steelers won it and drafted Terry Bradshaw. The Bears traded the #2 pick to the Packers for three guys who had zero impact.
Douglass, at 6-4, 225, was a big guy with a strong arm. Too strong, said most of his receivers; they kept complaining they'd get open and he'd overthrow them anyway. Coach Jim Dooley and his successor, Abe Gibron, had no idea what to do with him. Big and strong, he was eager to learn but failed to mind any of his lessons. At one point Dooley actually had Douglass, then a bachelor, move into his house during the season so he could better absorb his teaching. It didn't work; in 1971 Douglass threw five TD passes -- and 15 interceptions.
Bears management thought up wilder schemes; they considered making Douglass a tight end (presaging a similar idea which they tried, and failed, with a future QB who also wore #10, Kordell Stewart). They actually considered changing their helmet color to orange, so Douglass could better spot his receivers. That didn't happen, but it was during Douglass' tenure at QB when the Bears put the orange "C" within the white "C" that had been the helmet logo before the early 1970's.
And then they realized Douglass could run. And run, and run, and run. In 1972, when the Bears were awful and finished 4-9-1, Douglass scrambled and ran and dodged his way to 968 rushing yards. That set a record for rushing by a quarterback in a single season which stood for 34 years until Michael Vick broke it in 2006 -- by 71 yards, and Vick had two more games in a 16-game season. To put it in better perspective, Douglass finished 11th among all rushers that year and led the league with 6.9 yards per carry. Vick's total of 1039 yards in 2006 was almost 200 yards behind the top ten.

---------- Post added December-26th-2012 at 12:33 PM ----------

You're probably right. Maybe I am thinking of scrambling QBs, but it seems to me that there were offenses built around the QBs abilities to run (ie. Warren Moon, Fran Tarkenton), but honestly, I don't know enough to recall the details of the offenses they were running.

See above.

[#BgMase76#]

Yeah, sure if he says so. It's petty and a lady ditch effort to remian relavent. He couldn't even get his spot back from Foles. I don't harbor any malice towards Vick. I actually pity him. There's mo way you can look at him and not say what a waist of talent. He had all the tools. He just didn't have the proper guidance initially and everything crumbled from there.

[asnpcwiz]

I've also heard that humans originate from monkeys. Maybe we should give monkeys credit for us building cities, walking on the moon or even the internet.

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

I guess he didn't realize that when he was still running around with a snotty nose there was another Eagle named Cunnigham and before he was even a manufactured sperm there was a guy named Tarkenton.

The biggest disparity between Vick and RG3 is accuracy. RG3 can be a drop-back QB if he wants. Vicks accuracy was horrible.

[ouvan59]

In Atlanta, they catered the offense around his abilities as a runner which is something we had never seen before in the NFL

Bobby Douglass, to the white phone please.

[Roger.Staubach]

This just reaffirms what we already knew: Vick is an idiot.

[GoldSkinner]

There's still hope for Vick yet, just not in Philly.

He still has that rocket arm and his shiftyness is still there. He can't carry a team on his own, obviously, but with the right supporting cast, I believe he can make a lot of noise in this league.

[Roger.Staubach]

I guess he didn't realize that when he was still running around with a snotty nose there was another Eagle named Cunnigham and before he was even a manufactured sperm there was a guy named Tarkenton.

The biggest disparity between Vick and RG3 is accuracy. RG3 can be a drop-back QB if he wants. Vicks accuracy was horrible.

Don't discount the difference in what is upstairs. RGIII is, seemingly, an intelligent, humble, and law-abiding young man.