PFT: Mike Shanahan: No one in NFL history has played at RG3′s level

[CGSKINS]

He said no " Rookie QB " Go look at the press conference.

[darrelgreenie]

ive been thinking about this for a while, and this is how i see it. the team is near the bottom in 3rd down offense. usually a passing down. that reflects on rg3. he has to get better on 3rd down. now look at the colts. one of the best teams on 3rd down. most likely because luck is converting these...........but rg3 has to find a way to convert some of these 3rd downs. that is holding him back from being the best qb ever.

I noticed this awhile back (if I can find it I'll post it). And I think the low 3rd and long conversion rate is more the result of the schematic/gameplan approach this offense takes then it is a result of Griffin's ability or lack thereof on 3rd +.

[RandyHolt]

I think we have all seen some questionable play calls on 3rd down. It may happen to all teams for all I know, but earlier in the year we were often likely to run Banks on a pitch on 3rd and 1 as try Morris. Kyle knows we have don't have bulldozers on the OL so I think is gun shy to pound it up the gut, and gets too cute. I would like to see us put an extra OL out for 3rd and short, line up a 3rd guard.

And then go play action and keep using RG3's great ball fakes and passing ability to further confuse and crush defenses. I think we should putting the game into his hands as much as possible. Mike is right, he is a special talent.

[skinfan2k]

in fact i would say last week was his worst passing week of the year. he had 2 bonehead plays last week.

[Bacon]

I hope you aren't counting the pick. That was ever so slightly overthrown, hardly boneheaded.

[skinfan2k]

I hope you aren't counting the pick. That was ever so slightly overthrown, hardly boneheaded.

Nope. The one where he was running out of bounds and he just flicked it back into the playing area. That was 1. Now that you bring it up, i cant remember the other pass play

[Bacon]

Yeah, that was awful. I appreciate his guts, but he still dreads going out of bounds. He probably does have the arm to throw across his body, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.

[doghouse4x4]

Yeah, that was awful. I appreciate his guts, but he still dreads going out of bounds. He probably does have the arm to throw across his body, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.

Yeah, it usually isn't!

[darrelgreenie]

I noticed this awhile back (if I can find it I'll post it). And I think the low 3rd and long conversion rate is more the result of the schematic/gameplan approach this offense takes then it is a result of Griffin's ability or lack thereof on 3rd +.

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthre...=1#post9197658

[GoSkins561]

I've said it before -- Robert is the best QB I've ever seen -- meaning the most talented. I think Mike is saying the same thing. I doubt that he meant just the best rookie QB. He's grading QB, not QB + Team + Scheme.

Let's wait for the man to win a couple of Super Bowls or throw for 40+ TD's before making this claim. Peyton Manning is not surrounded by a ton of talent on offense, he is making The Broncos a hell of a lot better with his ARM.

[Oldfan]

You're refering to talent level, Mike S refered to performance level, specifically he said:If Mike said Griff is the most talented QB or talented player, I would be inclined to agree.
But the reference Mike S made was about level of performance.

If all you knew about Mike Shanahan and quarterbacks was that one comment, then you could interpret the word "played" as you have. But, he has repeated over and over that QBs need a good supporting cast and a good scheme in order to play close to their full potential. So, it's clear that, when he uses the word "played" he's not judging RG3 on his team and scheme related performances. He's talking about Robert's own performance, not the one that can be measured by statistics that combine QB, team and scheme into one number.

[CjSuAvE22]

Tomm RGIII will put the last nail in the Romo/Garretts coffin and its going to look beautiful, who cares if he doesnt win ROTY i could careless i know who the best rookie qb is some stupid award isnt going to TELL ME.

[Oldfan]

Let's wait for the man to win a couple of Super Bowls or throw for 40+ TD's before making this claim. Peyton Manning is not surrounded by a ton of talent on offense, he is making The Broncos a hell of a lot better with his ARM.

There is no reason for me to wait. I don't judge QBs as you do. I don't judge QBs by team or scheme influenced stats.

When I look at Peyton, I see a QB with limited talent masked by 15 years experience in the smartest passing scheme in the NFL (link below). I see a Broncos team that gives him more support, offense, defense, special teams combined than he ever got in Indianapolis where they drafted with emphasis on offense.

http://smartfootball.com/offense/pey...-colts-offense

[doghouse4x4]

There is no reason for me to wait. I don't judge QBs as you do. I don't judge QBs by team or scheme influenced stats.

When I look at Peyton, I see a QB with limited talent masked by 15 years experience in the smartest passing scheme in the NFL. I see a Broncos team that gives him more support, offense, defense, special teams combined than he ever got in Indianapolis where they drafted with emphasis on offense.

http://smartfootball.com/offense/pey...-colts-offense

I would argue that talent and ability are not synonyms in this case, and Peyton is oozing with talent.

[Oldfan]

I would argue that talent and ability are not synonyms in this case, and Peyton is oozing with talent.

Can you specifically describe the talent he oozes?