We Want Seattle(and other Seahawks pregame strategy thread)

[tahuyaman]

The NFC West is by far the stronger division this year. That's not even arguable.

---------- Post added January-1st-2013 at 01:25 AM ----------

Wow what a homer you are topcat. Any Seahawks fan who cannot admit that the refs gave them the Packers game has no credibility. .

I'm guessing you didn't see the phantom pass interference penalties on Seattle which kept Green bay scoring drives alive. Several times Seattle had Green Bay stopped on third down only to have have some amateurish clown call some inexplicable phantom penalty.

[s0crates]

The NFC West is by far the stronger division this year. That's not even arguable.

You think so?

Total offensive ranks (NFC East):
Redskins 5th
Cowboys 6th
Giants 14th
Eagles 15th

Total offensive ranks (NFC West):
49ers 11th
Seahawks 17th
Rams 23rd
Arizona 32nd

This is the thing about the BS your division has great defenses argument. It might just be that your division has crappy offenses. There are two sides to every coin.

And that is without even mentioning that the NFC West played the cupcake AFC East this season, or the fact that the Seahawks got a free bonus win this year.

Again, I do think the Seahawks have a very good team, and I am not taking them likely, but this blind homerism (trolling?) is tiresome.

---------- Post added January-1st-2013 at 04:32 AM ----------

I'm guessing you didn't see the phantom pass interference penalties on Seattle which kept Green bay scoring drives alive. Several times Seattle had Green Bay stopped on third down only to have have some amateurish clown call some inexplicable phantom penalty.

No credibility.

[tahuyaman]

So, in your mind, some game changing bad calls are to be ignored if you wish them to be ignored?

[s0crates]

So, in your mind, some game changing bad calls are to be ignored if you wish them to be ignored?

No. I would prefer we get all the calls right, but that never happens, and with the replacement refs there were even more bad calls. There were a lot of bad calls against every team in every game the replacement refs called. Luckily they did not severely effect too many outcomes because usually these kind of calls even out (but not always). As anybody would I hate to see a game changing bad call, and I do not think we should ignore such calls, but obviously some bad calls are more egregious than others.

Calling an interception a touchdown on a last second hail mary is as bad as it gets. That is not a game changing call, that is a game throwing call. If you cannot admit this I will have a hard time seeing you as an objective person.

Nonetheless I am willing to let it go, as (luckily) the seeding in the NFC West came out the way I think it should have, although I might feel differently if I were a Chicago Bears fan. The Seahawks beat the Packers. Fine.

Now let's get back to this business about how the NFC West being better than the NFC East is not even arguable . . .

[tahuyaman]

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Now let's get back to this business about how the NFC West being better than the NFC East is not even arguable . . .

Tell me how the NFC West isn't a stronger division. No one else can, you might as well try.

[PapaLazarou]

Tell me how the NFC West isn't a stronger division. No one else can, you might as well try.

Why are you even here? It all comes down to the game. Your team is favoured, but any team can win on a given day. If you lose, you won't come back here again. And if you win. you will have an obnoxious post or two before you get banned.

[s0crates]

Tell me how the NFC West isn't a stronger division. No one else can, you might as well try.

I already posted this above. It is the part you ignored about how the NFC East has far superior offenses when measured against the NFC West. The Cardinals have the worst offense in the league. Only one team in the division has an offense ranked in the top 50% of the league. By contrast, every team in the NFC East has an offense ranked in the top 50% and two teams have offenses ranked in the top 6.

If you can point to defensive rankings in your argument, as I assume you would, then it is only fair for me to point to offensive rankings. Maybe the NFC West just has crappy offenses. Maybe the NFC East just has crappy defenses. The point is that there are two sides to every coin. Just throwing out that the NFC West has tougher defenses than the NFC East does not win you an argument all by itself.

Also, I think the NFC West benefited from playing the AFC East. It had to be nice to see those three cupcakes Miami, Buffalo, and NYJets on the schedule (and I was being nice and disregarding the fact that the Seahawks lost to Miami, but now you have forced my hand).

And still I have said nothing about last year's NFC Championship game, or our respective divisional trophy cases, but again you have forced my hand.

This is not to dog on the NFC West either. Harbaugh has done a fantastic job with the 49ers. Drafting Russell Wilson was a coup by Pete Carroll, easily the steal of the draft. I know the Cards defense is nasty, as I live in Arizona and see them play a lot. I know Fischer's teams are chippy and tough for 60 minutes, they always have been. I know the NFC West is not the laughing stock it used to be anymore.

Just don't give me this crap about it being a vastly superior division to the NFC Beast, because its not.

[tahuyaman]

Try a true expert opinion.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...ings-whos-no-1

---------- Post added January-1st-2013 at 02:12 AM ----------

Why are you even here?

Why do you start a comment with that?

[s0crates]

Try a true expert opinion.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...ings-whos-no-1

You are either trolling me or you are not the sharpest crayon in the box (nor the brightest).

That article is ranking all eight NFL divisions, and it has the NFC West 2nd and the NFC East 3rd. So that is pretty close. Certainly arguable. I believe your exact words were that this is "not even arguable."

Also I'm not sure what qualifies Gregg Rosenthal as a "true expert," and even allowing that, I imagine "true experts" can disagree. I certainly wouldn't consider his opinion gospel and the matter settled.

Oh and this is his opinion from over two months ago.

So that is some pretty weak evidence you have given for your pretty strong opinion. Why don't you try addressing some of my argument instead of appealing to lame authorities (or at least offering your own reasoning, assuming you are capable of it)?

[DC9]

Try a true expert opinion.

I think I know the type of argument you like... so I'll humor you for a second or two.

Ahem... the Seahawks are still in debt to the Redskins for Jim Zorn. They are not allowed to win for another five or so years because of that.

This is the energy that I am feeling.

[Roland Deschain]

I think I know the type of argument you like... so I'll humor you for a second or two.
Ahem... the Seahawks are still in debt to the Redskins for Jim Zorn. They are not allowed to win for another five or so years because of that.
This is the energy that I am feeling.

Lol. You guys are the ones that turned him into a head coach; he was a very good QB coach for us.

Just don't give me this crap about it being a vastly superior division to the NFC Beast, because its not.

Which division is sending two teams to the playoffs again, despite facing two of the most prolific offenses in the league in the Packers and Patriots? We have two teams with more wins in our division than you guys, the division winner. I'm not saying the NFC East sucks, but it sure isn't the "NFC Beast". That is just homerism on your part. Also, look at how NFC West defenses fared against good offenses if you think it's just garbage offenses in the division that fluffed the stats. I mean, only two offenses were terrible in our division; that accounts for 4 games for us and the 49ers, and only 2 games for the Rams and Cardinals; so if your argument is that 2 games in a year or 4 games in a year significantly throws the overall defensive rankings for the year for everyone in our division, that is simply ludicrous.

[DC9]

Which division is sending two teams to the playoffs again, despite facing two of the most prolific offenses in the league in the Packers and Patriots? We have two teams with more wins in our division than you guys, the division winner. I'm not saying the NFC East sucks, but it sure isn't the "NFC Beast". That is just homerism on your part. Also, look at how NFC West defenses fared against good offenses if you think it's just garbage offenses in the division that fluffed the stats. I mean, only two offenses were terrible in our division; that accounts for 4 games for us and the 49ers, and only 2 games for the Rams and Cardinals; so if your argument is that 2 games in a year or 4 games in a year significantly throws the overall defensive rankings for the year for everyone in our division, that is simply ludicrous.

Whoa, whoa... I know you guys "really believe" that the Refs coming back after you miraculously beat the Packers was just a coincidence... but I'ma let you in on a little secret... ya didn't beat the Packers. So we're tied.

You also played the AFC East... who, outside of the Patriots, are pretty much the NFC West.

We played the AFC North... all of the teams we played were at their hottest except for MAYBE Baltimore, but they were 9-2 when we beat them.

Look at the big picture. I know that's very difficult for you guys because I know the public school system up there is all about feelings. But try.

[Roland Deschain]

Whoa, whoa... I know you guys "really believe" that the Refs coming back after you miraculously beat the Packers was just a coincidence... but I'ma let you in on a little secret... ya didn't beat the Packers. So we're tied.

Rofl. Re-watch the game on NFL Game Rewind. Particularly the part where the refs keep G.B.'s only TD drive alive with a bogus PI call at midfield on 3rd down. I know you "really believe" ESPN's "OMG THIS IS THE BIGGEST FAILURE IN THE HISTORY OF THE LEAGUE" garbage, (God knows they have no interest in stirring the pot to get more ratings to get more money, no, no, that can't be the case) but maybe...Just MAYBE...The Packers got some BS help, too.

Eh, on second thought; nah, I'm just gonna believe ESPN. OMG FAKE WIN blahblahblah. Way to be a promoter of original thought, DC9.

You also played the AFC East... who, outside of the Patriots, are pretty much the NFC West.

Right, they're sending two teams to the playoffs, too. Err, wait a second...

We played the AFC North... all of the teams we played were at their hottest except for MAYBE Baltimore, but they were 9-2 when we beat them.

Yeah, and the Bears were 8-3 when we played them; doesn't mean they were a good team overall. They just have a good defense. Baltimore for the first time in like 15 years had a bad defense this year, they not only under-performed, but had some key injuries. 8-8 Steelers that have managed to look average at best all year, and the Browns; not particularly impressed. Either way, absolutely nothing can change the fact that we beat 5 teams with winning records and you beat 3. Stop trying to justify the opponent difficulty angle.

Look at the big picture. I know that's very difficult for you guys because I know the public school system up there is all about feelings. But try.

I am. Big picture is we're a top 5 team in all 3 facets of the game, and the Redskins aren't a top 5 team in any facet. Per Football Outsiders for the year, you guys have the 6th-ranked offense, 17th-ranked defense, and 27th-ranked special teams. The Seattle Seahawks, on the other hand, finished with the 4th-ranked offense, 4th-ranked defense, and 3rd-ranked special teams.

Are the Redskins on a longer win streak than us? Definitely. Are they hot right now? Again, definitely. However, if you're trying to make the case that the Redskins as of right now are a better team this year than the Seahawks...Well, provide some evidence for it. I don't see any. I'm serious; I'm not trolling. Give me specifics. Lay it out and explain in what ways the Redskins are better than the Seahawks.

[DC9]

Rofl. Re-watch the game on NFL Game Rewind. Particularly the part where the refs keep G.B.'s only TD drive alive with a bogus PI call at midfield on 3rd down. I know you "really believe" ESPN's "OMG THIS IS THE BIGGEST FAILURE IN THE HISTORY OF THE LEAGUE" garbage, (God knows they have no interest in stirring the pot to get more ratings to get more money, no, no, that can't be the case) but maybe...Just MAYBE...The Packers got some BS help, too.

Yeah... whatever helps you sleep at night, mate.

Right, they're sending two teams to the playoffs, too. Err, wait a second...

The AFC East is sending two teams to the playoffs? They only had one team over .500, haha. Try to keep up, pal.

Yeah, and the Bears were 8-3 when we played them; doesn't mean they were a good team overall. They just have a good defense. Baltimore for the first time in like 15 years had a bad defense this year, they not only under-performed, but had some key injuries. 8-8 Steelers that have managed to look average at best all year, and the Browns; not particularly impressed. Either way, absolutely nothing can change the fact that we beat 5 teams with winning records and you beat 3. Stop trying to justify the opponent difficulty angle.

Yep... the Big East should get SEC treatment...

I am. Big picture is we're a top 5 team in all 3 facets of the game, and the Redskins aren't a top 5 team in any facet. Per Football Outsiders for the year, you guys have the 6th-ranked offense, 17th-ranked defense, and 27th-ranked special teams. The Seattle Seahawks, on the other hand, finished with the 4th-ranked offense, 4th-ranked defense, and 3rd-ranked special teams.

Aren't we the number one rushing offense in the NFL? Number 4 in kickoff and punt coverage? Turnover differential? Not that any of that is important.

You are right... those are very "BIG PICTURE" numbers.

Hammer don't hurt yourself! hahaha

[Lavarleap56]

I have a few hours logged on Seahawks film already, only 25% done but already see a lot of issues we will exploit. Tough at home and average on the road.. No idea why the Seahawks fans feel so confident.