Rob Jackson's Worth

[DC9]

Our pass rush this season should let you know he's not a bust..

I think that has more to do with the safety position than anything else. But that light bulb will go on about week 4 next year

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Have you wondered why?

Hahaha. Because Haz didn't like him at first he liked Wilson. Then Wilson didn't get it done so he went with Zo. Then Zo was okay and Jackson has to "Bob Sagget" for pass rushing situations on 3rd down, lol.

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Sign and trade Jackson. Keep Rak.

Sign and trade? With who, the Lakers?

[PeterMP]

Link?

You'll have to select the categories yourself, and they don't have it broken down by down and distance, but here's a site for snaps played:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/snapcounts

From watching the games and the OLBs, I can tell you that Jackson was coming out a lot on 3rd and long and other passing downs.

[Drastik]

I think that has more to do with the safety position than anything else. But that light bulb will go on about week 4 next year

Reed Doughty and Dejon Gomes started most of the games last year at safety. Madieu Williams (although I personally think he's terrible) is considered an upgrade over both of those players.

Yet the Redskins finished 20th in sacks this year compared to 11th last year.

Coincidence?

[PeterMP]

Sign and trade Jackson. Keep Rak.

This isn't the NBA. There is no advantage to the other team to or Jackson to go through a sign and trade and there is frequently a "penalty" w/ respect to cap space if there is a signing bonus (i.e. its affect becomes accelerated to the year the trade happens).

[Drastik]

You'll have to select the categories yourself, and they don't have it broken down by down and distance, but here's a site for snaps played:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/snapcounts

From watching the games and the OLBs, I can tell you that Jackson was coming out a lot on 3rd and long and other passing downs.

Thanks for the link, some good info to be found there.

[PeterMP]

Reed Doughty and Dejon Gomes started most of the games last year at safety. Madieu Williams (although I personally think he's terrible) is considered an upgrade over both of those players.

Yet the Redskins finished 20th in sacks this year compared to 11th last year.

Coincidence?

Gomes started 5 games last year. Landry and Otogwe both started 8 last year.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/was/2011.htm

**EDIT**
Sorry, messed up above 5 games this year 3 last year.

The difference in Doughty this year as a starter and last is one game. The difference between Gomes is two games.

[DC9]

Reed Doughty and Dejon Gomes started most of the games last year at safety. Madieu Williams (although I personally think he's terrible) is considered an upgrade over both of those players.

Yet the Redskins finished 20th in sacks this year compared to 11th last year.

Coincidence?

Most of the games? Not sure about that. Everyone was healthier, too... to include a Neild and Carriker and Bowen was 100% as well.

Go back and watch some tape. I know it was a long time ago... but Orakpo didn't get sacks on every play... he got an average of 9 per season...

[Drastik]

My apologies, I said that without actually checking NFL.com

After researching:

Doughty started 10 games
Landry 8
Atogwe 8
Gomes 5

IMO (aside from Landry), our safeties are no worse this year than last.

[darrelgreenie]

Reed Doughty and Dejon Gomes started most of the games last year at safety. Madieu Williams (although I personally think he's terrible) is considered an upgrade over both of those players.

I disagree that Maddie is an upgrade, imo he's the main liability in our secondary. At best he's an upgrade in coverage. But imo Maddie is the FS not because he's better in coverage but because he's too much of a liability to play in box and he's faster then Reed.

[DC9]

My apologies, I said that without actually checking NFL.com

After researching:

Doughty started 10 games
Landry 8
Atogwe 8
Gomes 5

IMO (aside from Landry), our safeties are no worse this year than last.

Don't forget, (I know he started a few last year and depending on formations and such, he'll get credited with a start) but Reed also starts on teams.

[The Full Monty]

Have you wondered why?

No.

Since he was a rookie, pass rush duties weren't part of his primary skill set. So coaches saw him that way and he worked at his craft.

But when he lobbied for, and was given, the opportunity, he delivered, starting in early December.

[SkinsTillIDie]

Still can't believe the Orakpo hate. "Obviously everything you look for in a Pro Bowl player" -- in the words of Mike Shanahan. Who's opinion, on basically all football-related matters, I think has been vindicated this year.

A probowler on the perennially losing Redskins (Redskins!) as voted by coaches and peers. Again, re-watch the Saints game. Our pass rush was dynamic, Orakpo was getting pressure, and -- led by our front 7 -- our defense stifled Brees to completing 46% of his passes.

We haven't seen a dominating performance like that from our D since Orakpo got injured.

He defended 3 passes and was all over the field. It certainly looked like he had improved his coverage ability, taken another step forward, and may have been primed for a breakout season. Unfortunately, we won't know until next year.

The most important reason to keep Rob Jackson is because he's a proven player capable of contributing to a winning team. He's entering his prime at 27. Draft picks are uncertainties, they take a while to develop, and we've (somehow) become a team expecting to compete for a Superbowl. Jackson can help in this regard, be it as a starter or a backup.

Orakpo makes us an obviously more dynamic and fierce defense, harder to gameplan for. But Jackson is proven insurance in case a starter goes down for any point of time. As we've seen around the league, a good 10-15% of any team is liable to end the season on IR. Jackson, as insurance, is worth the money.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

Stevemcqueen said something about Orakpo that is really sticking with me when I watch Jackson: Orakpo, despite his physical dominance which obviously helps our pass rush, isn't a truly instinctive player. He thinks, he doesn't react based on natural defensive instincts. And the thing is, he's been saying this since Rak was drafted.

The thing is though, while Jackson is the more instinctive football player and far better playmaker, what our defense doesn't have is an impact physical presence that wins matchups on his own. Rak is that guy. Rak doesn't have the instincts yet to be elite at anything other than rushing the passer, and probably never will. Jackson is above-average in every area but not truly dominant at any area. It begs the question - if Jackson was this instinctive and smart as a player, wouldn't it have been better to have drafted another physically dominant interior pass rusher like Watt or Fairley?

Also keep in mind, Jackson is actually older than Rak.

[jsteelz]

Rak will get extended this offseason, i'll check on Jackson after our season. Also hearing no matter how far we go, Slowick is to be out, BUT keep in my he is a Shanny friend

[NikoBellic]

He is a starting OLB.

He is not a back up.

Orakpo is a pass rusher. Jackson is a Linebacker. He needs to be paid. I say we give him a 3 year $6 to $7 mil range. Let Golston walk and give him that money. We can make it work.


EDIT: If last night didn't prove to the Orakpo homers that Rob Jackson is a better football player, I'm moving on from the conversation. The kid is a baller and he makes big plays on the big stage where Orakpo dissappears. End of discussion for me.

this sounds really good. i wish we would do 3-4/4-3 hybrid and make it work