Why does Ray Lewis get a free pass?

[chipwhich]

Get over you hatred of Ray Lewis. It seems fake, because of a silly hatred of Baltimore.

You can hate Big Ben and Vick, but not Ray Lewis. Gotcha.

People dislike all 3, your little rant is kind of silly. Ray Lewis was soaked in blood after a street fight and got off and your response is get over it because of your hatred of Baltimore OK.

[authentic]

Hugh Douglas called him out on Thursday, too. It was on that Numbers Never Lie show (I know, it's a stupid show). Douglas bascially told him to "take it down a notch". He didn't say exactly what he meant. But I took it to mean for Ray to tone down the religious stuff.

What Ray is doing appears to be very disingenuous. Typically the people who are REALLY about that life are too humble to draw this sort of attention to themselves. The fact that Ray is so in-your-face with his religion, rubs alot of people the wrong way, and rightfully so. Which gives the impression that he's a phony.

[DM72]

Hugh Douglas called him out on Thursday, too. It was on that Numbers Never Lie show (I know, it's a stupid show). Douglas bascially told him to "take it down a notch". He didn't say exactly what he meant. But I took it to mean for Ray to tone down the religious stuff.

And as if Hugh Douglas is relevant.

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Two groups of thugs got into a nasty fight. Somebody died because of it. Ray was the only one with an actual future and his friends helped him cover for it and Ray repayed them, by turning his life around. That is beautiful.

I don't care for the Ray Ray pageantry myself. I prefer my Monks, Londons and Greens personally. It doesn't matter. If the greatest MLB to ever play the game, at least in my lifetime is on your team, I bet you love it.

Prison isn't for punishment, it's for containment. We don't punish people, it's cruel and unusual. Ray has turned his life around.

Ben raped women, he gets a pass. Vick never did a second of time for not only admitting to torturing 4 dogs to death, but profited from the horrible deaths of thousands of dogs, didn't do a second of time for animal abuse and he is a okay. Get over you hatred of Ray Lewis. It seems fake, because of a silly hatred of Baltimore.

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I hope that's a take on a Simpsons reference.

Vick did do time.

[Mr. Sinister]

More importantly (not relevant in the court of public opinion, but relevant to the argument that was presented) Vick and Big Ben have also turned his their lives around, which makes things sort of confusing.

One allegedly raped a woman (and believed by some to have raped more than one), and was generally viewed as an ******* all around.
One definitely tortured and killed dogs, and initially lied about it, on top of running a dogfighting operation.
One may have purposefully withheld more info, and may have been more involved than he let on, about two murders.

Apparently all three men have turned their lives around, and have done work in their communities, and become model citizens, but only one should be looked at admirably, or "Forgiven," for having done so. I get why people would want to forgive, or not let others forget (or whatever they decide to do on issues like this, after the fact) but to pick and choose who should be forgiven and who should be demonized over and over again, in the manner that was shown, seems a little... odd.

[pjfootballer]

Vick did do time.

I think it was for the running the dog ring and transporting the dogs over state lines to fight, but not the torturous acts themselves if I'm not mistaken.

[youngchew]

What Ray is doing appears to be very disingenuous. Typically the people who are REALLY about that life are too humble to draw this sort of attention to themselves. The fact that Ray is so in-your-face with his religion, rubs alot of people the wrong way, and rightfully so. Which gives the impression that he's a phony.

Exactly. The guy's as fake as a $3 bill. It's all an act. He loves whipping up tears for the cameras and pointing up to the sky while everybody is watching.

For a man so religious, so involved and dedicated to the word of god....who'da thunk he has 6 kids by 4 different women. Stay classy, Ray Lewis.

[Mr. Sinister]

I think it was for the running the dog ring and transporting the dogs over state lines to fight, but not the torturous acts themselves if I'm not mistaken.

Hmmm. I didn't know that.

[pjfootballer]

Hmmm. I didn't know that.

Like I said, don't quote me on that, but he served time in a federal prison, which you wouldn't go to a federal prison for just killing dogs. I'm not even sure there is a felony charge for animal abuse.

[STBonecrusher21]

I think Vick's prison time was for all the illegal gambling that went on at his dog fights.

He was the ring leader of both acts.

[budussy]

You do know there is such a thing as "solo" tackles that the NFL has as a stat? Well, he has 44 of those in the NFL playoffs, 18 more than any other player. So the fact that you, and others, think he just "piles on the stack of players after the whistle", is bogus.

And look, if you read through this thread, and any other thread about Lewis, you'll find that I'm not one of his biggest fans. But that's more for his going overboard with the religious thing/mugging for the camera + Atlanta incident. You will never see me saying the guy couldn't play.

Of course I know about the NFL tracking "solo" tackles. Don't insult me. First of all, one can't look at the volume of solo tackles and form any sort of conclusion. If most are near the line of scrimmage, that's great. If not...a closer look is probably needed. I think it was Tom Jackson that said that Ray Ray was accumulating so many tackles was because teams were going after him and going right at him. If i recall correctly, he also said that most of his tackles were 8+ yards down the field, so he's actually been a sort of liability (that's jsut considering the on field play, I understand he has intagibles like leadership and the Ravens look to him to lead).

I call it the Neon Deon effect. If you are an attention whore and play to the media, everything positive you do is magnified. That's why guys like London are an afterthought and guys like Lewis are perpetuated as the "greatest evar" through various sportstainment outlets. Just my opinion. Lewis was a great linebacker, just not the greatest.

[NoCalMike]

I think Ray Lewis suffered from the Deion affect. He was so dominant in his prime, that he got a pass when his play slipped later in his career.

Deion was the same way. In his prime he was easily as great as everyone says he was, but once he lost a step, it was like he lost a few steps. But it didn't matter, because much like Ray Lewis, he still made just as big of a production out of every tackle, or play or pre-game celebration etc etc.....

Ray Lewis in his prime might have been better than Fletcher in his prime, as far as 3-5 seasons of dominance, but I would argue that Fletcher's play has not had the same drop-off.

[Fight4RGIII]

[Bubble Screen]

Like I said, don't quote me on that, but he served time in a federal prison, which you wouldn't go to a federal prison for just killing dogs. I'm not even sure there is a felony charge for animal abuse.

Nah, you're correct. That's exactly what he did time for, the crossing state lines thing, while operating a dog fighting ring. He's very lucky he didn't do a lot more time

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Of course I know about the NFL tracking "solo" tackles. Don't insult me. First of all, one can't look at the volume of solo tackles and form any sort of conclusion. If most are near the line of scrimmage, that's great. If not...a closer look is probably needed. I think it was Tom Jackson that said that Ray Ray was accumulating so many tackles was because teams were going after him and going right at him. If i recall correctly, he also said that most of his tackles were 8+ yards down the field, so he's actually been a sort of liability (that's jsut considering the on field play, I understand he has intagibles like leadership and the Ravens look to him to lead).

I call it the Neon Deon effect. If you are an attention whore and play to the media, everything positive you do is magnified. That's why guys like London are an afterthought and guys like Lewis are perpetuated as the "greatest evar" through various sportstainment outlets. Just my opinion. Lewis was a great linebacker, just not the greatest.

Don't insult you? YOU'RE the one that was saying he was accumlating tackles by "jumping on the pile" at the end of plays. That's where you were incorrect. You don't get credited with "solo" tackles when you "jump on the pile" at the end of a play. And Jackson is an idiot if he said most of Lewis' tackles were 8 yards down the field. The Colts, Broncos and Patriots all got very little rushing yardage on the Ravens. So explain to me how most of Ray's tackles were way past the line of scrimmage? They weren't. And, again, I don't even like the guy. But he's been very good in the playoffs. And it's not because teams are running right at him. That's ridiculous. It's more that his defensive line has done its job.

[budussy]

Nah, you're correct. That's exactly what he did time for, the crossing state lines thing, while operating a dog fighting ring. He's very lucky he didn't do a lot more time

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Don't insult you? YOU'RE the one that was saying he was accumlating tackles by "jumping on the pile" at the end of plays. That's where you were incorrect.job.

I wasn't referencing these playoffs. Many sports writers have accused Lewis of piling on for years. That is what I'm talking about, his legacy. You brought up these playoffs.

[Bubble Screen]

I wasn't referencing these playoffs. Many sports writers have accused Lewis of piling on for years. That is what I'm talking about, his legacy. You brought up these playoffs.

No, TheItallionStallion and I were having a conversation pertaining to the playoffs and you chimed in and said he hasn't been any good for several years. "Several years" would include the playoffs.

At any rate, I'm done defending the guy. I don't care for him. And I hope he doesn't record a single tackle on Sunday. I can't believe so many people want this guy to go out on top. He's a complete phony.