Shanahan Decision Not to Take Out RGIII

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I think hyperbole is generally a very weak tool for persuasion.

I stated that I had never seen a dumber one. However, I will grant that it's possible, even likely, that dumber have escaped my attention.

If a coach knew or should have known the dangers of a concussion -- and he sent a player back onto the field anyway -- that would be a criminal act. I don't know of such a case.

Well I guess I don't know of one either now that you mention it.

You know I respect your football knowledge, etc. I just feel like someone has to stick up for the coach and give him the benefit of the doubt. I really don't believe he kept Griffin on the field believing he could do further damage. That might have naive but I just can't fathom how our head of football operations would be so short-sighted. I think this was a loyalty thing to show Griffin that he's behind him. Still wrong, mind you.

[first time long time]

I've had many conversations this week about this topic. Every person that I've talked to think he should be fired. I still makes zero sense to me. If he couldn't see what we were seeing he has no business being a nfl coach.

[Oldfan]

Well I guess I don't know of one either now that you mention it.

You know I respect your football knowledge, etc. I just feel like someone has to stick up for the coach and give him the benefit of the doubt. I really don't believe he kept Griffin on the field believing he could do further damage. That might have naive but I just can't fathom how our head of football operations would be so short-sighted. I think this was a loyalty thing to show Griffin that he's behind him. Still wrong, mind you.

I'm okay with you disagreeing with me. I know you to be intelligent and fair-minded.

For me, what we're calling the decision here actually began when RG3 started against the Eagles wearing a brace. My position was that if he had to wear a brace he shouldn't have been playing. I would have let the damn thing heal. Screw the season. Protect the NFL's most valuable asset.

[pointyfootball]

For me, what we're calling the decision here actually began when RG3 started against the Eagles wearing a brace. My position was that if he had to wear a brace he shouldn't have been playing. I would have let the damn thing heal. Screw the season. Protect the NFL's most valuable asset.

It was an extremely short-sighted approach, and one which I don't think MS had to take. MS's number one priority for the season should have been the development of RG3, while keeping him healthy. I question whether he actually developed him enough to allow him to play, as he is going to have to in order to survive, and he definitely didn't protect the team's most important player.

[SkinsNumberOne]

I'm okay with you disagreeing with me. I know you to be intelligent and fair-minded.

For me, what we're calling the decision here actually began when RG3 started against the Eagles wearing a brace. My position was that if he had to wear a brace he shouldn't have been playing. I would have let the damn thing heal. Screw the season. Protect the NFL's most valuable asset.

Some people believe that you have to play to win, and that means fielding your best possible team within reasonable injured limits.

With the Eagles game, the attractive thing to me was that it seemed like a game that KC could lead us to victory in, and give RG3 some much needed rest. I think a veteran sits for the Browns and Eagles, and an excited rookie rushes to play. I think that's basically how it went.

[stopmakingsense]

I'm okay with you disagreeing with me. I know you to be intelligent and fair-minded.

For me, what we're calling the decision here actually began when RG3 started against the Eagles wearing a brace. My position was that if he had to wear a brace he shouldn't have been playing. I would have let the damn thing heal. Screw the season. Protect the NFL's most valuable asset.

Thank you. I could not agree more. Also, I thought that Kirk would have been good enough to beat the Eagles. I could have cried last Sunday when I saw RG III going down (I am 42). This picture of him when he tried to scoop up the lost ball will stay in my mind for a very long time. It was immediately clear to me that this injury is serious (torn ACL at least). I am not sure if we should call for Shanny´s head. For the time being I just hope that RGIII returns and will be his old self. This is a Superbowl QB to me.

[Diss]

One thing has stuck in my mind through all this, particularly the reports or suggestions that his original ACL repair wasn't done with enough consideration to long-term benefit vs. the "get him back as soon as possible" mentality.

Could it be possible that RG3 was bound to have future ACL issues sooner rather than later on his knee because of the nature of his earlier surgery and repair? I've heard some compare it to fixing a tire leak vs. changing the tire. The reports and the press release talked about the most recent procedure being done so he'd have a "long career." Is the implication that he needed some sort of intervention with that knee in order to make that a better possibility?

I guess what I'm wondering is, was all this bound to happen at some point anyway due to a knee with a higher probability of being injured, and if so, could it possibly be better to have it happen the way it did now, while he's still so young and at the end of a successful season, instead of a couple years or more down the road?

Just throwing that out there to those with better knowledge of these injuries than me. And I suppose this also hinges on the hope that his reconstructed knee actually ends up being stronger and more durable than the one he had pre-injury.

[Oldfan]

...Could it be possible that RG3 was bound to have future ACL issues sooner rather than later on his knee because of the nature of his earlier surgery and repair? I've heard some compare it to fixing a tire leak vs. changing the tire. The reports and the press release talked about the most recent procedure being done so he'd have a "long career." ...

My guess is that, before we traded those draft picks, the Skins had Dr. Andrews look at the MRIs and the surgeon's report on that prior procedure. It's hard to imagine that they would give up so much for a player anticipating another surgery right away.

[CGSKINS]

Thank you. I could not agree more. Also, I thought that Kirk would have been good enough to beat the Eagles. I could have cried last Sunday when I saw RG III going down (I am 42). This picture of him when he tried to scoop up the lost ball will stay in my mind for a very long time. It was immediately clear to me that this injury is serious (torn ACL at least). I am not sure if we should call for Shanny´s head. For the time being I just hope that RGIII returns and will be his old self. This is a Superbowl QB to me.

I agree 100%

[terpskins10]

Protect the NFL's most valuable asset.

NOW who is overvaluing QBs?

Kidding, OF. Please don't hurt me! Especially since I agree with everything you've said in this thread. I hate to be one of those people who tries to treat RG3 like glass, but this guy has a chance to become one of the icons of the NFL and its history. We can't risk his career for some short term goals, especially given his age (youngest starting QB in the NFL last season).

[Oldfan]

NOW who is overvaluing QBs?

Booooooo!

[emor09]

Shanahan was crucified (in hindsight) for rushing Griffin back and letting him play with a bad knee.

Patriots rushed back Gronkowski and he re-injured his broken forearm.

Will anyone criticize Belicheat? Probably not.

[chipwhich]

Shanahan was crucified (in hindsight) for rushing Griffin back and letting him play with a bad knee.

Patriots rushed back Gronkowski and he re-injured his broken forearm.

Will anyone criticize Belicheat? Probably not.

Kind of a silly comparison.

[2cents]

Kind of a silly comparison.

Not really, I was wondering the same thing.

[chipwhich]

Not really, I was wondering the same thing.

Franchise QB vs a tight end?