This is the first time I have been disappointed in RGIII

[allskinz]

You would think that we were 6-10 instead of 10-6 .. Amazing. We have finally turned this franchise around and people are still complaining. Take it for what it is, lets regroup for next year.

[Sekhmet187]

You would think that we were 6-10 instead of 10-6 .. Amazing. We have finally turned this franchise around and people are still complaining. Take it for what it is, lets regroup for next year.

Hopefully more people start doing that, because so far theres been so much criticism that both of RGIII's last tweets talk about the criticism. As a fanbase, we should feel disgraced that our QB has to deal with that after giving us the best season we've seen in decades.

[mcsluggo]

this isn't on RGIII.. he HAS to believe that he is the best option, and ALWAYS be raring to go, even if he is the black night with both legs and an arm cut off. YOU can't be disappointed in THAT!

on the other hand... the coaching staff needs to be able to weigh that fighter spirit against reality, and have both the balls to make a move, and the charm/motivational skill to be able to do it without driving a stake into his young star's heart. The coaching staff failed.

[Jumbo]

After reviewing '*some* of his posts, I 100% disagree with you (regarding the posts in this thread). Rule 18 is the 'catch-all' that lawyers/law-makers use (similar to police and the PotS (pissing off the police) ticket.

But, whatever. It's your board.



**edit** My post was/is an attempt to keep this board the best in the business. There is a reason why I don't post at CZ and other NFL-team forums. I have respect for the peeps on this board (and my friends...which are 90% Skins fans [sadly]).

Rule 18 also states that when you make the kind of post you just did in a thread like this, instead of the feedback forum as you're supposed to, you get a week off. This will just be a warning, since you're not here that much anyway. Given that, you really are picking a questionable time to be here now, in fact.

And, per my opinion on your comment, not only are you neither qualified nor were asked for your view (you being a cowboy fan doesn't matter in this, you are a member) you ignored what I said that the rule violations pre-existing alone meant he was viable for ejection at any time. Not to mention all the other pertinent info, like valid member complaints you'd be unaware of as a "casual" participant.

How unnecessary and how stupid this was of you, regardless of your benign intent. Next time post such effort (and hopefully make it a better informed one) where it belongs.

[Oldfan]

Cutler says, "hello." Cutler was called every name in the book when he took himself out in.a playoff game.

A true leader does what's best for the team. He doesn't give a damn about the criticism of idiots who make judgments without having the facts.

[Sekhmet187]

A true leader does what's best for the team. He doesn't give a damn about the criticism of idiots who make judgments without having the facts.

So RG III isn't a "true" leader?

[mossomo]

Let's be disappointed in the Team, and not just one person. The Team lost. Not Shanny, not RG3, not DrAndrews, not Kyle.

[rookieskin]

Ummmmm RG!!! didn't allow the Chawks to scire 24 straight points.

He gave the team a 14-0 lead in the first 10 minutes.
We were still leading into the 4th quarter.

If anything the D deserves more blame than RG!!!.

If anything Kyle deserves blame for not handing off to Morris 32 times.

If anything Mike deserves blame for not pulling RG!!! the first or second time that he got hurt and plugging in Cousins.


If you blame anything on anyone, blame all these jokers for doing their dead-level best to deliver a W despite all the odds.

Great season Team.

Can't wait to see you get it figured out in the offseason, and reload with a years exp under our belts!

[SkinsWarrior81]

Did a single detractor complain about Romo, Roethlesberger, London Fletcher, DHall, Trent Williams, etc etc etc etc playing injured? Is this just because we lost the game or are people actually concerned about players safety? It seems to me most people are just mad we didn't win. If he had come back to win, no one would even care.

[Sekhmet187]

Did a single detractor complain about Romo, Roethlesberger, London Fletcher, DHall, Trent Williams, etc etc etc etc playing injured? Is this just because we lost the game or are people actually concerned about players safety? It seems to me most people are just mad we didn't win. If he had come back to win, no one would even care.

This is exactly it. Everyones being a whining baby that they didn't beat the Seahawks, and now they're going as far as throwing RGIII under the bus for it. Its ****ing pathetic.

[Special K]

After taking a breather last night and today... this was really the only thread I wanted to further comment on, just because I think it's so ridiculous and completely out of touch with an athlete's mindset and personality.

That being said, after hearing reports that Dr. Andrews never cleared RGIII for play after his original knee injury against the Ravens (as we were told otherwise by Shanahan), the person I am disappointed in is Shanahan himself, not RGIII. Players are always going to minimize their injury and think they are ok to play. There's a sports-specific delusional-ness they suffer. There's probably an ICD-9 or 10 for it. If not, there should be. So that's a given, no matter if the person is like Ghandi or Mother Theresa in every other aspect of his/her life...they are a flippin idiot in regards to their injury, particularly males (yes, I am using wide-sweeping generalizations there, but that generalization is correct).

So, that's why you have coaches...to overrule that delusional-ness of the athlete and make the decisions needed to protect him.

I'm not going to make accusations or come to conclusions about unconirmed reports yet, but I am going to mention my thoughts in regard to Dr. Andrews confirmation that he did not clear RGIII prior to his return in the Ravens game. That is so incredibly disappointing to me that Shanahan not only made the decision not to wait for final orthopedic specialist clearance, but then be untruthful about it and tell us that clearance was given by Dr. Andrews...I really don't know what to say. On some level I feel betrayed by our coach for that lie and it certainly wipes out any benefit of the doubt I could have given him in regards to his decision-making following yesterday's original injury and leading up to RGIII's final injury.

All I can say is, I sure hope some of the reports about decision-making (by not just the head coach, but several Redskins staff members) I'm hearing aren't true. Redskins nation just doesn't need more fallout and a major controversy (although the media seems gleeful at being given the opportunity to write sensational stories).

So hoping for the best, but disappointed in Shanahan. I was ticked when RGIII wasn't pulled sooner in the Ravens game (but then relented the next day when I learned the orthopedic had cleared him) and I'm just really upset now...primarily about all the unkowns, the feeling we're not being given the full story and mainly about a potential major injury to our future franchise QB.

---------- Post added January-7th-2013 at 03:04 PM ----------

Did a single detractor complain about Romo, Roethlesberger, London Fletcher, DHall, Trent Williams, etc etc etc etc playing injured? Is this just because we lost the game or are people actually concerned about players safety? It seems to me most people are just mad we didn't win. If he had come back to win, no one would even care.

While I will agree with you the uproar is largely amplified by a loss, I also think people just love RGIII and have placed so much hope in him for our future. I don't agree with the disappointment in RGIII, think it's absurd, in fact.

I just think people are upset about our franchise QB suffering a major injury and the unknowns still, about the extent of his injury and what it means for his career.

Personally, it's hard for me to believe RGIII walked off the field after the game without a brace with a career-ending knee blowout, PCL injury, etc. I am hoping damage is confined to ACL and LCL and they aren't completely shredded. Sad to hope for that, but that's where I'm at now. I'm still extremely optimistic about his offseason recovery and future

EDIT: Heard from my father that Dr. James Andrews clarified his comments and stated that Shanahan did not lie when talking about clearance to put RG3 in. Very glad he did that and quickly reinstated much of my faith in Shanahan. I actually feel badly for getting so upset, so quickly, but I guess that's bound to happen when you're in the middle of a freaking media blitz. Regardless, still hoping for the best for RG3 and am going to give Shanahan much more leeway and just let the chips fall where they may. Oh yeah, and the media silence I've placed myself in since yesterday has been, very nice. Back to that now

[Squidley]

RG3 is a Warrior...I am so happy we got him on our team and I hope he gets that knee all healed and rested and comes back to be our QB for many years to come...HTTR
We do need some ballers on the defense and I know Haslett has done a better job in the last half of the season but I say we still get a better D Coordinator. Hasletts defense killed us this season even tho we had injuries

[DieselPwr44]

It seems to me most people are just mad we didn't win. If he had come back to win, no one would even care.

Me personally, I'm mad because Robert couldn't man up and say I can't go.

He couldn't run nor plant to throw....nor could he even protect himself and was clearly hurting the team.

Now, look at Lichtensteiger.

Hurt all week with the ankle, taped it up and tried to go. When his ankle gave out, he waved to the sidelines for help and got off the field.

No one here or on any other forum said "The dude is soft, way to let the team down" etc.

Don't know why it would be any different with RG3.

Yes he's a Captain,QB,Leader.....but good leaders know when to put ego aside and do what's best for the team.

Both Mike and Robert failed yesterday.

Hope they learn from it.

[2STaylor1]

Leaders and gamers don't take themselves out.

This... anyone whos ever competed in anything, refuses to take themselves out. i was taught/trained that if i can walk i can play.

the one time my coach and i thought it was best for me to rest for a meaningless game to be healthier for an important one, i made it through halftime before i got on the field. now these guys are PROFESSIONALS! guys who arent used to being the best on the field by far.

the only thing im disappointed in is the end result.

great season, and heres to speedy recoveries...

[chet06]

Here is a great article from Jason Whitlock from Foxsports....usually he is a shock jock type journalist but his opinion should be examined at the very least...


Updated Jan 8, 2013 3:13 PM ET





More than the health of his knee, more than Mike Shanahan’s alleged negligence, here’s what concerned me about Robert Griffin’s first playoff appearance:

RG3 bought the hype -- his own.

His postgame comments explaining why he stayed in the game beyond the first quarter revealed a young man who had crossed the thin line between confidence and arrogance.

“I don’t feel like me being out there hurt the team in any way,” Griffin proclaimed. “I’m the best option for this team, and that’s why I’m the starter.”

That’s true when Griffin is healthy. He was clearly not healthy on Sunday, especially after he tweaked his already-injured knee late in the first quarter. On a gimpy leg, Griffin tossed a second touchdown pass and staked the Redskins to a 14-0 lead over the Seattle Seahawks.

From that moment on, he was awful and a liability to his team. He couldn’t plant on his right leg or accurately throw the football downfield. He couldn’t run much either. He limped sideways for nine yards on one play, and you wondered why he stayed in the game.

You can’t be Willis Reed in the 1970 NBA Finals and play quarterback in the NFL. Inspiration only goes so far at the QB position.

Obviously, Mike Shanahan should’ve pulled his 22-year-old quarterback from the game. My initial thoughts during the game and in the immediate aftermath of Griffin re-injuring his knee in the fourth quarter were that Shanahan should be disciplined by Redskins owner Daniel Snyder for jeopardizing Griffin’s future.

My feelings reflected the emotions of my Twitter following. Football fans from across the country berated Shanahan for his perceived negligence, particularly since USA Today reported that earlier in the season Washington’s team doctor -- James Andrews -- said he did not clear Griffin to re-enter the Ravens contest.

On Monday morning, syndicated morning radio host Tom Joyner analogized Shanahan to the slave owner, Calvin Candie, in the popular movie Django Unchained. Candie trained and fought “Mandingo” fighters. He brutalized them.

I get the point Joyner was trying to make. But he does not understand the politics of football in this era.

Griffin has more power than Shanahan. It wasn’t until I heard Griffin’s postgame comments that I realized Griffin used that power to play in Sunday’s game. Griffin made it clear in his postgame news conference that he desperately wanted to play in Sunday’s contest and that he repeatedly made it clear to Shanahan that he wanted to stay in the game.

Sitting Griffin isn’t as easy as it sounds, especially when the Redskins held the lead until midway through the fourth quarter. In fact, it wasn’t until the Seahawks took a 21-14 lead that Griffin’s knee completely gave out when he tried to scoop up a bad snap from his center.

Until that moment, Griffin likely had visions of a Gatorade commercial dancing in his head. He likely thought he was in the middle of his Michael Jordan flu game. He could see Bill Simmons preparing a 30-for-30 documentary about the day he beat the Seattle Seahawks on one leg.

Griffin stated that had the coaching staff tried to sit him, he would’ve run back onto the field. So with his team leading for the overwhelming majority of the game and his star QB defiant, what was Shanahan to do?

I’m not excusing Shanahan. But I’m saying there was considerable risk in benching RG3. Shanahan could’ve fractured his relationship with his rookie quarterback. Had RG3 complained in the aftermath, some of the very same people crucifying Shanahan for leaving him in the game would be crucifying Shanahan for taking him out.

Shanahan, who is white, is in a difficult spot. The Redskins represent one of the blackest and the most politically charged cities in America. Griffin, who is black, is a phenom. Black people and black sports fans are itching to discuss his race and itching to complain about racial unfairness as it relates to Griffin. Rob Parker’s misguided statements about Griffin being a “cornball brother” don’t begin to do justice to all the different ways Griffin is being discussed.

Shanahan submitted to the will of his star QB and was analogized to the fictional slave owner of Candyland.

The QB that everyone wanted Shanahan to send onto the field -- Kirk Cousins -- is the same QB some criticized Shanahan for drafting last year when he had already selected Griffin in the first round.

Shanahan could see what we could see. Griffin was hurting his team trying to be a hero. But Shanahan is in a political quagmire. Any decision he makes with Griffin can be second-guessed and spun into a Django analogy.

Moving forward, Shanahan will need the help of his young quarterback to navigate these dangerous waters. That’s going to require some humility and self-awareness from Griffin.

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