How is RGIII?

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

I love how everyone is treating a regraft on a relatively intact ACL (just not intact enough for football) in a QB the same as a complete ACL/MCL tear in RB. Chill out guys.

People are gonna be REAL surprised when he's playing preseason games.

Or is in training camp.

I'm not a doctor, but the fact is RGIII's injury was nowhere near as bad as Petersons, or even Wes Welker (ACL/MCL, and he was doing contact drills in training camp by August, and played in the preseason and he was injured in Week 17 of the 2009 season) or even Phillip Rivers (played a game WITHOUT an intact ACL, was in minicamp).

Most injuries of this nature are where the player absolutely shreds his knee and needs to repair the whole thing. That wasn't the case with RGIII - his injury wasn't even as bad as the one he sustained in college (and he actually finished the game on that injury).

I am convinced that this is yet another hit job on the Redskins and particularly Mike Shanahan (who the media ****ing loathes, just like they loathe Belichick but Bill wins so much he's untouchable in ways Shanny isn't). They are desperately trying to push the "Greedy, egotistical Shanny and Danny are wrecking RGIII's career after trading 3 picks for him". The entire story has been blown out of proportion by sports media because it fits a narrative.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

Graziano actually gives a rather jackass overreaction to the Redskins' statements.

All the Redskins said was they were "encouraged" by how well RG3 is doing in re-hab and may bode well for him starting week one.

That is ALL. No guarantees, no promises, and no rush.

Graziano carries on in that article like the Redskins are planning to line RG3 up behind center for some practice drills tomorrow.

He is the one that needs to chill out.

I agree. He was reading a lot into that.

He's usually pretty good with that so it's surprising.

[thesubmittedone]

^^ It seems that, as far as the media is concerned, ANY statement from the Redskins that harbors a positive or encouraged feeling towards RG3's recovery is tantamount to "rushing him back". It's like they only want the Redskins to release statements stating how worried they are about Robert and how they're holding him back.

It's getting stupid.

[smakpo]

Adidas store in Santa Monica:

[thesubmittedone]

^^Awesome.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

[QUOTE=thesubmittedone;9428812]^^ It seems that, as far as the media is concerned, ANY statement from the Redskins that harbors a positive or encouraged feeling towards RG3's recovery is tantamount to "rushing him back". It's like they only want the Redskins to release statements stating how worried they are about Robert and how they're holding him back.

Yes man. Even on twitter from other Skins fans. Every time something positive comes up, they have to pull the "I can't believe they're rushing him back again!" nonsense. If you are not a member of the Skins organization, I feel like you have severely scale back judgment until he is on the field.

Maybe 20 years of being awful does that to you

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Adidas store in Santa Monica:

I kinda want that for my phone background. That's too dope.

[kmd24]

I love how everyone is treating a regraft on a relatively intact ACL (just not intact enough for football) in a QB the same as a complete ACL/MCL tear in RB. Chill out guys.

In actuality, it's worse in Griffin's case because he had previously injured his knee. It doesn't matter how severe the tear was, all that matters is that they did revision ACL surgery.

Just look up the details of the surgery, and it's obvious. ACL reconstruction is basically drilling tunnels in the femur and tibia, threading a harvested section of patella tendon through the tunnels, and affixing the ends of the tendon to the bone with special screws.

When you have the surgery twice on the same knee, there's the question of whether you can reuse the old tunnels or have to drill new ones (most often new tunnels are required), whether a bone graft is required (was not required for RGIII), and the further deterioration of cartilage in the knee. Revision ACL surgeries have a lower rate of success than ACL reconstructions on previously uninjured knees, although the rate is still fairly high.

ACL reconstructions can be compromised by returning too early. The new tissue that forms in the tunnels generally takes about 6 months to fully heal/regenerate, and if you rehab too aggressively too early, the movement of the tendon can wear down the tissue that is growing in the tunnels. What that does is compromise the long-term stability of the knee and make it susceptible to future injuries. The last thing someone who's had his second ACL reconstruction should be doing is risking further injury. He's already out of patella tendons, so a third graft (even on his left knee) would likely be an allograft (cadaver tendon), which isn't as successful as an autograft.

[arice]

SWEET!!!!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...in&hpt=hp_bn15

[NLC1054]

This was just intended to be a nice bit of PR to distract people from the name bull****.

Seriously, for the last week it's been nothing but stories about the name, changing the name, and the Redskins half-ass attempts to defend the name. (I want to keep the name, but the 'Skins have been balls at defending it).

This is a nice little PR burst to get the concerned masses to lay the **** off of the name for about ten minutes before Mike Wise writes his next stupid article.

The Redskins will play RG3 when he's ready. For the last few weeks we've al heard he's ahead of schedule, and now the Redskins confirmed it. Even if it's not true, all it was supposed to be was a distraction.

[cphil006]

In actuality, it's worse in Griffin's case because he had previously injured his knee. It doesn't matter how severe the tear was, all that matters is that they did revision ACL surgery.

Just look up the details of the surgery, and it's obvious. ACL reconstruction is basically drilling tunnels in the femur and tibia, threading a harvested section of patella tendon through the tunnels, and affixing the ends of the tendon to the bone with special screws.

When you have the surgery twice on the same knee, there's the question of whether you can reuse the old tunnels or have to drill new ones (most often new tunnels are required), whether a bone graft is required (was not required for RGIII), and the further deterioration of cartilage in the knee. Revision ACL surgeries have a lower rate of success than ACL reconstructions on previously uninjured knees, although the rate is still fairly high.

ACL reconstructions can be compromised by returning too early. The new tissue that forms in the tunnels generally takes about 6 months to fully heal/regenerate, and if you rehab too aggressively too early, the movement of the tendon can wear down the tissue that is growing in the tunnels. What that does is compromise the long-term stability of the knee and make it susceptible to future injuries. The last thing someone who's had his second ACL reconstruction should be doing is risking further injury. He's already out of patella tendons, so a third graft (even on his left knee) would likely be an allograft (cadaver tendon), which isn't as successful as an autograft.

I thought that the bone that comes with a patellar tendon graft grows with the bone it's attached to in the hollow...

anyways, whether his old graft snapped or wasn't completely torn... his ACL was replaced again, so there's not much difference, right? If he should ever need another ACL, I only hope that spider silk is past the research and development stage and used...

[Boss_Hogg]

So I have (had) an RGIII fathead on the wall in my man cave. Today may two-year decided she wanted to tear off the decal. She was succesful for about 80% of the decal.

The one piece that survived the toddler's wrath? RGIII's right knee and leg.

It's a sign from the football gods, I plan on leaving the knee and leg on the wall until the Redskins win the Super Bowl or if my kid returns to finish the job.

[Bonez3]

1st home game...crowd hyped... Music cues intro from LL Cool J's 'Mama said knock you out'

Just as verse starts don't call it a comeback... RGIII busts through tunnell

[ejay183]

So I have (had) an RGIII fathead on the wall in my man cave. Today may two-year decided she wanted to tear off the decal. She was succesful for about 80% of the decal.

The one piece that survived the toddler's wrath? RGIII's right knee and leg.

It's a sign from the football gods, I plan on leaving the knee and leg on the wall until the Redskins win the Super Bowl or if my kid returns to finish the job.

When that happens (Redskins win the Superbowl with Griffin), you must get it signed by the man himself.

[SkinsFanMania]

^^ It seems that, as far as the media is concerned, ANY statement from the Redskins that harbors a positive or encouraged feeling towards RG3's recovery is tantamount to "rushing him back". It's like they only want the Redskins to release statements stating how worried they are about Robert and how they're holding him back.

It's getting stupid.

True, but they did that to themself.

[kmd24]

I thought that the bone that comes with a patellar tendon graft grows with the bone it's attached to in the hollow...

Yes, that's correct. The bone-to-bone union usually occurs within 6 weeks, and it's the main reason that type of graft is preferred for athletes. One of the variations in the surgery is the flushness of the femoral bone block on the joint-side surface of the femur. If it's totally flush, then that graft is totally bone-to-bone, and there is no tendon-to-bone healing that must occur there.

Unfortunately (at least for purposes of ACL reconstruction), in most humans, the patella tendon is slightly longer than the ACL, in which case a portion of the tendon will necessarily extend into at least one of the tunnels. As a result, there is typically tendon-bone grafting that must happen.

Tendon-bone grafting involves both the formation of collagenous fibers that affix the tendon to the bone as well as new bone production. This union typically takes longer than bone-to-bone unions. While ultimately the reconstruction can be successful even if the tendon-bone connection at the tunnel aperture is somewhat compromised, the knee will have more play in it and thus will be more susceptible to further injury.