How is RGIII?

[bird_1972]

No, LL's quote does not imply that at all.

There were (probably) screws inserted at both the femoral attachment (Femur, bone on the top of your pic) and at the tibial attachment (bottom attachment point in your pic). If indeed there was "tearing near the screws," we don't know which screw(s). Literature appears to suggest that most tears occur near the femoral attachment. Therefore, the tear of the reconstructed ACL could have been a normal tear, meaning that the graft had been sound.

On its own, LL's quote doesn't tell us anything about the quality of the original surgery. It MIGHT suggest that the 2009 ACL graft was properly aligned, which would be a positive indication for the original surgery.

What are your thoughts about the menicsal repair and what that means for likelihood for return early next season?

Personally, meniscal tears are a concern based on the type of arthritic damage that can facilitate in the joint. The grafts to me are less concerning since they, in and of themselves, should provide similar stability than the ones he was born with.

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---------- Post added January-11th-2013 at 03:39 PM ----------

RG3 played better after his first ACL surgery, granted it was probably because he went from being 19 to 20 and arm got stronger, body got tougher, learned the plays, etc.

Did he also have a meniscal tear then as well?

I don't think so but I could be wrong.

---------- Post added January-11th-2013 at 03:40 PM ----------

Vick was getting killed in Philly because the line was so bad though

Our OL isn't that great either when it comes to pass protection. RG3 got hit a lot in the pocket. In fact, his mobility probably made the line look better than it actually is.

This needs to be a focus (particularly at RT) in the offseason.

[fosback]

If you look at the video of the Baylor play that tore his ACL and the play that started it all with the Skins in the Baltimore game......one common thing is that RG3 was trying to be super man trying to get a couple of extra yards and getting blown out.

He may learn from this but in the heat of a game it could easily happen again.

[TheDane]

What are your thoughts about the menicsal repair and what that means for likelihood for return early next season?

Personally, meniscal tears are a concern based on the type of arthritic damage that can facilitate in the joint. The grafts to me are less concerning since they, in and of themselves, should provide similar stability than the ones he was born with.

As I mentioned several pages before, the ancillary damage could determine the extent of Robert's recovery. We just don't know how serious the meniscus damage was. We also don't know if there was any issues with the cartilage.

If you believe Dr. Andrews is not one to hide information, then the fact that he did not mention meniscus in his release should reassure us that the repair was light.

However, you are correct that significant meniscus damage would result in pain, could result in longer rehabilitation time, and possible (likely?) arthritic complications in the knee.

[allskinz]

We aren't going to lose draft picks over how we handled the RG3 injury.. Mara, where are you???

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/0...-handling-rg3/

[fosback]

Strange Coincidences related toRG3's first surgeon Dr. Adicks:

1. Went to Baylor for under graduate degree
2. Played for Baylor football
3. TORE ACL in his SOPHOMORE year!!!
4. Recovered from ACL surgery to be DRAFTED as a PRO
5. TORE his ACL AGAIN in his FIRST year as a pro (second game actually)!!


Now the rest hoping RG3 follows the same path:

7. Played in the NFL for 8 years AFTER SECOND ACL surgery.
8. WON Super Bowl with REDSKINS 1991.

Couldn't make this stuff up. Seriously.

[Skins3000]

Its honestly mostly RG3's fault that he's hurt. I heard someone say that every time he got hurt, it was not on a play that called for the QB to run. He seems to always try to get the extra 3 yards and he payed dearly for it. In no way am I crap talking, I just wish he'd learn to get to the ground or out of bounds.

It is a combination of RG3 and the coaching staff. RG3 is a military kid and from all accounts the kid respect authority. The Shanahan's need to make it a priority for him to get out of bounds and silde or face some kind of penalty for not doing such actions by the coaching staff of course it cannot be financial because the nflpa would be involved but something that RG3 will see as punishment.

[Probos]

Strange Coincidences related toRG3's first surgeon Dr. Adicks:

1. Went to Baylor for under graduate degree
2. Played for Baylor football
3. TORE ACL in his SOPHOMORE year!!!
4. Recovered from ACL surgery to be DRAFTED as a PRO
5. TORE his ACL AGAIN in his FIRST year as a pro (second game actually)!!


Now the rest hoping RG3 follows the same path:

7. Played in the NFL for 8 years AFTER SECOND ACL surgery.
8. WON Super Bowl with REDSKINS 1991.

Couldn't make this stuff up. Seriously.

Wow,....

[steve09ru]

I didn't realize how much RG3 ran in college (510 times in just 3 years). I also didn't realize how low his ypc was in college (4.3) compared to his first year with the Skins (6.8).

If you include this year plus his 3 college years then he's at 630 carries. That's a lot of wear and tear for someone with his stature.

I also wonder how college defenses have played his running better than the NFL teams have (atleast on a ypc average).

[mistertim]

I didn't realize how much RG3 ran in college (510 times in just 3 years). I also didn't realize how low his ypc was in college (4.3) compared to his first year with the Skins (6.8).

If you include this year plus his 3 college years then he's at 630 carries. That's a lot of wear and tear for someone with his stature.

I also wonder how college defenses have played his running better than the NFL teams have (atleast on a ypc average).

Just from my memory of watching him play in college there were far more designed QB keeper type of runs and not as much of the zone read option stuff. They also ran him up the middle a lot which really perplexed me and is quite possibly the reason for his much lower YPC whereas with the Skins plays this year he is going to the outside much more often after reading the DE and has usually has plenty of open grass in front of him. I think a lot of it just comes down to the play selection, play calling, and coaching. Not saying Briles is a bad coach but I definitely think the Shanahans have taken the challenge of maximizing the use of RG3's considerable talents to another level.

[Murphs56]

RG II is positive about this as we all knew he would be!

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

As I mentioned several pages before, the ancillary damage could determine the extent of Robert's recovery. We just don't know how serious the meniscus damage was. We also don't know if there was any issues with the cartilage.

If you believe Dr. Andrews is not one to hide information, then the fact that he did not mention meniscus in his release should reassure us that the repair was light.

However, you are correct that significant meniscus damage would result in pain, could result in longer rehabilitation time, and possible (likely?) arthritic complications in the knee.

The meniscus/cartilage issue is what really concerns me.

Obviously we're talking about two different athletes but Gilbert Arenas' NBA career was derailed by the same injury.


Let's hope Robert has a different outcome.......

[TheDane]

Based on Robert Griffin, Jr.'s positive comments, my hypothesis -- stress that word -- is that there was pre-existing damage to the ACL in the form of partial tearing that was confirmed during surgery. Who knows when this pre-existing damage occurred.

It is entirely possible that this tearing would have been missed on an MRI performed after the Baltimore game. That ACL damage could have been mistaken -- nobody's fault, just the nature of imaging -- as signal abnormality from the 2009 graft.

Therefore, Dr. Andrews may have suspected damage on a subsequent MRI performed after the Seattle game. Perhaps the new MRI showed a clearer look. When Andrews went in for the LCL surgery, he concluded that there was enough partial tearing to warrant a re-graft of the ACL. Remember, the ACL does not "heal" per se. Therefore, any tearing would have been a risk to Robert's long term stability.

This hypothetical set of circumstances would certainly fit with all the information gathered to-date. Again, this is just speculation. No, this sheds no more light on a recovery timetable. But it might help to stop the blame mongers, because it's entirely possible that the lack of definitive diagnosis prior to and after the Seattle game was nobody's fault. It also explains why Andrews would "re-do" Adickes' graft, without denigrating Adickes' work.

[2cents]

Based on Robert Griffin, Jr.'s positive comments, my hypothesis -- stress that word -- is that there was pre-existing damage to the ACL in the form of partial tearing that was confirmed during surgery. Who knows when this pre-existing damage occurred.

It is entirely possible that this tearing would have been missed on an MRI performed after the Baltimore game. That ACL damage could have been mistaken -- nobody's fault, just the nature of imaging -- as signal abnormality from the 2009 graft.

Therefore, Dr. Andrews may have suspected damage on a subsequent MRI performed after the Seattle game. Perhaps the new MRI showed a clearer look. When Andrews went in for the LCL surgery, he concluded that there was enough partial tearing to warrant a re-graft of the ACL. Remember, the ACL does not "heal" per se. Therefore, any tearing would have been a risk to Robert's long term stability.

This hypothetical set of circumstances would certainly fit with all the information gathered to-date. Again, this is just speculation. No, this sheds no more light on a recovery timetable. But it might help to stop the blame mongers, because it's entirely possible that the lack of definitive diagnosis prior to and after the Seattle game was nobody's fault. It also explains why Andrews would "re-do" Adickes' graft, without denigrating Adickes' work.

Interesting use of fact based logic to make resonable deductions....nah its all Shanny and Dannies fault, it is their fault for drafting him and now ending his career because we all know he tore every ligement because I heard from an intern who is dating the janitor who was cleaning up the day after RGIII's surgery that he heard the nurse who was on standby for the surgery imply that RGIII's career is over.

[TheDane]

Another option is that Andrews saw the partial tearing of the ACL after the Baltimore game, but made the determination -- since, at that time, the LCL had only suffered a Grade 1 sprain -- not to operate. That's reasonable and would be a proper course of action. For all we know, Andrews and Robert had a discussion after Baltimore that Robert might need offseason surgery...

[daveakl]

Another option is that Andrews saw the partial tearing of the ACL after the Baltimore game, but made the determination -- since, at that time, the LCL had only suffered a Grade 1 sprain -- not to operate. That's reasonable and would be a proper course of action. For all we know, Andrews and Robert had a discussion after Baltimore that Robert might need offseason surgery...

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