RG3 Tweets

[jivelikenice]

I'm sorry but its perfectly reasonable to question judgement here. Does anyone here know of any comparable where a qb was allowed to play when he was this hobbled? I've never seen anything like this before.

I'm not saying he should have been pulled immediately, but i think we saw enough in the 2nd quarter that it was apparent that the injury was now also affecting his ability to throw, protect himself, and execute the gameplan. At minimum, the discussion should have been "we're going to give you one more drive and if it doesn't look better, Kirk is going to go in". I don't want anyone fired, but a mistake was made. That's clear. I just hope they learn from it. Shanahan needs to let the doctors make the call and trust his eyes, and RG3 needs to put the team first. I don't blame him for wanting to compete and I'm sure he wanted to compete for the team, but you have to have faith in those behind you.

[Skinz4Life12]

That's a long recovery, isn't it?

4 months is what someone else said

[jivelikenice]

This is an excellent point. The line where it's "ok" for a guy to remove himself or be removed if he's still walking around is razor thin. Cutler was injured, stopped playing, and got booed and ripped for it. Meanwhile RGIII stays in, and gets ripped for it.

I think there is something to be said about the coach pulling a guy vs. a player pulling himself. However, if Shanahan had pulled RGIII and Cousins didn't win us the game, there'd be a fair number of people questioning Shanahan pulling him. The problem is that how good the decision was is determined after it's made. If, for example, Hankerson catches that 3rd down throw, and Morris gets a few more runs, and we win, does keeping RGIII in become a good decision? Shanahan made a judgement call. The outcome might well haunt him forever, or it might just be a minor blip. We'll find out. I'm not saying he made the right choice necessarily, but I don't think we can say with certainty that at the time the decision was made it was the definitively wrong call either.

I don't recall the Cutler timeline.....Did he try to play at first or did he immediately sit?

[Sekhmet187]

I'm sorry but its perfectly reasonable to question judgement here. Does anyone here know of any comparable where a qb was allowed to play when he was this hobbled? I've never seen anything like this before.

I'm not saying he should have been pulled immediately, but i think we saw enough in the 2nd quarter that it was apparent that the injury was now also affecting his ability to throw, protect himself, and execute the gameplan. At minimum, the discussion should have been "we're going to give you one more drive and if it doesn't look better, Kirk is going to go in". I don't want anyone fired, but a mistake was made. That's clear. I just hope they learn from it. Shanahan needs to let the doctors make the call and trust his eyes, and RG3 needs to put the team first. I don't blame him for wanting to compete and I'm sure he wanted to compete for the team, but you have to have faith in those behind you.

Phillip Rivers? Brett Favre? Big Ben?

[jivelikenice]

That's a long recovery, isn't it?

An MCL tear at this point would be good news. No reason he wouldn't be ready by OTAs and TC

[Skinz4Life12]

I'm sorry but its perfectly reasonable to question judgement here. Does anyone here know of any comparable where a qb was allowed to play when he was this hobbled? I've never seen anything like this before.

I'm not saying he should have been pulled immediately, but i think we saw enough in the 2nd quarter that it was apparent that the injury was now also affecting his ability to throw, protect himself, and execute the gameplan. At minimum, the discussion should have been "we're going to give you one more drive and if it doesn't look better, Kirk is going to go in". I don't want anyone fired, but a mistake was made. That's clear. I just hope they learn from it. Shanahan needs to let the doctors make the call and trust his eyes, and RG3 needs to put the team first. I don't blame him for wanting to compete and I'm sure he wanted to compete for the team, but you have to have faith in those behind you.

In college Byron Leftwich finished a game on a broken leg where his lineman were literally carrying him down the field in between snaps

[spjunkies]

4 months is what someone else said

That's good news I guess. He should be good to go for mini-camp and definitely training camp if he gets a procedure done in the next week or two.

[UK Skins]

Looking back at the game, I think RG3 wasn't really hurting the team. Some of his passes weren't pretty, but should have been caught. From bad snaps, to our guys slipping on the field. Captain Kirk came in and had the same issues. Seattle had a better game plan. Have to give credit to Seattle's insane defense who stepped it up big after 1st Quarter, making the quick adjustments.

I'm sorry but I totally disagree with this viewpoint. Griffin clearly couldn't follow through with his throws and clearly couldn't run, so yes he was hurting the team. Cousins seemed to be running for his life the whole time, not sure if Seattle just went all-out blitz on every snap or what but their play-calling changed once he came in and that may have been due to the fact that they realised a fully-fit QB could hurt them whereas Griffin clearly couldn't.

[Sekhmet187]

I actually think the issue is that we don't know what information Shanahan used to make his decisions. It shouldn't be a discussion between the coach and player. It should involve a trainer or doctor.

The question should be directed to someone with some medical knowledge and it should always be: "Can he play on it?" The second question is "Can he hurt it worse?"

We have pretty good information that Shanahan did not ask those questions last month. He may not have asked them yesterday. Failure to do so, is gross negligence in my view.

---------- Post added January-7th-2013 at 01:46 PM ----------



Is anyone criticizing RGIII? I'm not. NFL players would go back into the game with a compound fracture. They have been brainwashed since they were 6.

Coaches are supposed to be rational.

LOTS of people are criticizing RGIII, in fact a lot of fans are doing that on this board. And some of the statements in this topic come off the same way. People are saying he was not being a team guy, thats a big criticism and something he shouldn't have to deal with after everything hes been through this season.

But no, this is the Redskins. Nothing is ever good enough to stop the incessant whining that comes with a season that doesn't result in a flawless SB. I'm sick of hearing whining veiled in statements that end in "but" so they look like they're still supporting the team. Face it, if you say xyz player needs to learn from his mistakes or that they need to put the team first, you're not saying "they did a good job and I'm proud of this team".

At least leave the criticisms for a few weeks from now when everyone can look at next season, not right after where even the QB has to respond to it via twitter.

[Rypien1191]

and the curse continues.

[JMUSkins]

Phillip Rivers? Brett Favre? Big Ben?

You're correct, sir! The thing is... We haven't had a QB good enough to warrant playing while he was this hobbled. ****... Cousins is better than a lot of the garbage we have had the last 20 years.

[Louie 14]

Sorry, but there was no need to consult anyone. Just see that he was running, literally, on one leg. Nobody should be exposed to that.

[Skinz4Life12]

That's good news I guess. He should be good to go for mini-camp and definitely training camp if he gets a procedure done in the next week or two.

it was good news until these new tweets came out...

[JMUSkins]

and the curse continues.

I'm not sure what you're responding to...

[jivelikenice]

Phillip Rivers? Brett Favre? Big Ben?

Philip Rivers game isn't based on mobility at all, and he was effective while hurt. Big Ben has played hurt but he's also a much bigger guy and that helps him protect himself more often than not.....but even in his case he takes unecessary hits. Guys have played through ribs, ankles, arm pain and in Rivers case, a knee, but I just don't recall a QB who is asked to run and rollout playing that hobbled ever before. The bottom line is the results speak for themselves. The offense couldn't produce for nearly 3 quarters after the reaggravation with RG3 taking snaps. I don't blame him for being a competitor, because ultimately its Shanahan's call. Its a tough call no doubt, but one that should have been made. Again, not reason to fire anyone, but I hope a lesson is finally learned.