The Long-term Problem with Robert Griffin's Knees

[bedlamVR]

Hi CI - It was a good OP and very interesting - I was wondering is your CV on the way to Redskins Park

[skins island connection]

One thing I hope RGIII leasrned from this was the importance of SLIDING! As we all saw, the results of trying to get that extra foot or 1/2 yard cost the mobility of RGIII, and put a serious damper on his performance.
So during the offseason, I am asking RGIII to go watch some baseball; as a matter of fact, watch ALOT of baseball; especially on sliding techniques. He's too valuable of a weapon to jeopardize, and learning good techniques on sliding will keep his legs down, and mostly out of danger of having them floating up in the air and going through this again.

SIC

[ZRagone]

Hey Captain...was that you I heard on the Junkies this morning pimping this exact same theory? I figured it was either a big coincidence that someone else knowledgable picked up on the exact same things from the two exact same instances OR it was you. The person sounded a bit to knowledgable to be a random fan from this forum trying to just repeat what you've been saying.

I'm not on twitter, but here's my random thought. All the various articles leading up to the draft talked about how proactive his father was and how big he was in terms of rehabbing. I also know his Dad's on twitter and some people on this forum even know people who contact him. I would suggest those that have Twitter, try to send him this thread of this info and get him to look at it. I understand the general stigma with message board things...but this seems like an actual knowledgable, intelligent bit of analysis that is in such a specific line of physical thearpy that I wouldn't be shocked if it would possibly be missed by those focusing in other avenues.

[Airyx]

Are there examples of people who have come back and played at a high level after 2 ACL injuries?

Terry Allen

[RabidFan]

Hey Captain...was that you I heard on the Junkies this morning pimping this exact same theory? I figured it was either a big coincidence that someone else knowledgable picked up on the exact same things from the two exact same instances OR it was you. The person sounded a bit to knowledgable to be a random fan from this forum trying to just repeat what you've been saying.

I'm not on twitter, but here's my random thought. All the various articles leading up to the draft talked about how proactive his father was and how big he was in terms of rehabbing. I also know his Dad's on twitter and some people on this forum even know people who contact him. I would suggest those that have Twitter, try to send him this thread of this info and get him to look at it. I understand the general stigma with message board things...but this seems like an actual knowledgable, intelligent bit of analysis that is in such a specific line of physical thearpy that I wouldn't be shocked if it would possibly be missed by those focusing in other avenues.

Was my question too about Junkies this morn...only other time I've heard the Subway commercial brought up.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

I don't doubt the accuracy of this, but it does bring me back to Strasburg who everyone says has a mechanical throwing problem that is going to keep leading to injuries.

I have to ask if there is really any consensus within the medical community as to the concerns in the OP. Just comparing to Strasburg, most well-versed orthopedics came back and basically said, "you can't predict when someone is going to get injured throwing a baseball, and you can't say any way is more or less likely because there are too many variables." Just paraphrasing.

Is there real consensus that there is something wrong with the strength balance in his knees or is this one school of thought?

[Captain Injury]

Thanks for the compliments and suggestions, but no I'm not on the radio. I really just want his training to become something fans are aware of and into. If our fans become knowledgeable about these topics I think it helps. If we can ask "so what are you doing about his dynamic stability issues?" then maybe a coach or two will turn around and go "Well, what ARE we doing about his dynamic stability issues?!?!" They were present and clear the whole season. Guy should have had his knees taped during competition until the issue was resolved in prehab. But I think he'll be forced to address a lot of this stuff in rehab. I think he'll recover fine.

[Oldfan]

Captain, is this what you were referring to in the Subway commercial?

http://i.imgur.com/ED3br.jpg

I ask because, many years ago, I intentionally brought my knees in for a jump shot because I found it gave me a softer, more stable landing. RG3 might be doing the same thing.

[ZRagone]

Wow. I'm shocked that it wasn't you that called in. The person sounded knowledgable, but now I wouldn't put it past someone from this board taking what you said and just trying to sound knowledgable about it.

I'll check back later (unless someone beats me to it) and post up a link to the podcast and the time stamp for when the call happened for people that want to hear it. The person mentioned the valgus collapse that makes him nervous about RG3's health going forward. Mentions the hit in the Giants game where his knees bent in that fashion. Mentions the subway commerical and how the knees bend in, etc. Then starter talking about how RG3 doesn't look as comfortable cutting as he does in straight line running, ie he doesn't look as "smooth" in his running style. A few of the Junks actually seemed to be buying into the notion (The guy was trying to throw out Junky lingo waaaaaay to much though).

I really hope they have someone seeing the same things as you and taking action, because this seems like something that is 1) Fixable and 2) Fixable in a way that's not going to negatively impact his game. I'm ALWAYS in favor of those kind of situations, and RG3 seems like he has the work ethic to make such practices work.

[Captain Injury]

Oldfan,

Yes, that's an example of one way the issue presents itself. You're also correct in that many basketball players do this during jump shots. Any cushion you experience while doing this is offset, and possibly caused by, unhealthy stretching of the ligaments.

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Wow. I'm shocked that it wasn't you that called in. The person sounded knowledgable, but now I wouldn't put it past someone from this board taking what you said and just trying to sound knowledgable about it.

I'll check back later (unless someone beats me to it) and post up a link to the podcast and the time stamp for when the call happened for people that want to hear it. The person mentioned the valgus collapse that makes him nervous about RG3's health going forward. Mentions the hit in the Giants game where his knees bent in that fashion. Mentions the subway commerical and how the knees bend in, etc. Then starter talking about how RG3 doesn't look as comfortable cutting as he does in straight line running, ie he doesn't look as "smooth" in his running style. A few of the Junks actually seemed to be buying into the notion (The guy was trying to throw out Junky lingo waaaaaay to much though).

I really hope they have someone seeing the same things as you and taking action, because this seems like something that is 1) Fixable and 2) Fixable in a way that's not going to negatively impact his game. I'm ALWAYS in favor of those kind of situations, and RG3 seems like he has the work ethic to make such practices work.

Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it. Awareness is good, and I'm not the only person who knows this

[wrecker]

It was reported that RG3's knee is held togther with 2 screws and a rubber band from his last ACL surgery. Does this change the prognosis of recovery if a second surgery is needed?

[Oldfan]

I don't doubt the accuracy of this, but it does bring me back to Strasburg who everyone says has a mechanical throwing problem that is going to keep leading to injuries.

I have to ask if there is really any consensus within the medical community as to the concerns in the OP. Just comparing to Strasburg, most well-versed orthopedics came back and basically said, "you can't predict when someone is going to get injured throwing a baseball, and you can't say any way is more or less likely because there are too many variables." Just paraphrasing.

Is there real consensus that there is something wrong with the strength balance in his knees or is this one school of thought?

Orthopaedic specialists are not the ones to ask about what causes the injuries they repair. Kinestheologists should offer better opinions.

Some of this stuff we can figure out for ourselves. The elbow, for example, acts as a hinge. If it folds naturally after a tennis serve or a baseball throw, it won't get injured. But, it will take only one bad serve or one bad throw to strain the ligament on the top of the elbow if the hinge is forced down unnaturally.

Conventional wisdom told me that my tennis elbow was the result of poor mechanics on my backhand. Several weeks of rest was recommended. Once I figured out that I was re-injuring it on my serve, I corrected the flaw and continued to play, serving better than ever before, while the elbow healed.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Orthopaedic specialists are not the ones to ask about what causes the injuries they repair. Kinestheologists should offer better opinions.

Some of this stuff we can figure out for ourselves. The elbow, for example, acts as a hinge. If it folds naturally after a tennis serve or a baseball throw, it won't get injured. But, it will take only one bad serve or one bad throw to strain the ligament on the top of the elbow if the hinge is forced down unnaturally.

Conventional wisdom told me that my tennis elbow was the result of poor mechanics on my backhand. Once I figured out that I was re-injuring it on my serve, I corrected the flaw and continued to play, serving better than ever before, while the elbow healed.

There's a sub-specialty of orthopedics called "Sports Medicine." They know what they are talking about, in general. That's just who I was referring to.

[SkinsFanMania]

Orthopaedic specialists are not the ones to ask about what causes the injuries they repair. Kinestheologists should offer better opinions.

Some of this stuff we can figure out for ourselves. The elbow, for example, acts as a hinge. If it folds naturally after a tennis serve or a baseball throw, it won't get injured. But, it will take only one bad serve or one bad throw to strain the ligament on the top of the elbow if the hinge is forced down unnaturally.

Conventional wisdom told me that my tennis elbow was the result of poor mechanics on my backhand. Several weeks of rest was recommended. Once I figured out that I was re-injuring it on my serve, I corrected the flaw and continued to play, serving better than ever before, while the elbow healed.

I agree completely. My nephew majored in Kinestheology and is now a Chiropractor.

---------- Post added January-8th-2013 at 11:29 AM ----------

I agree completely. My nephew majored in Kinesthesiology (Old Fan, is this what you mean) and is now a Chiropractor.

---------- Post added January-8th-2013 at 11:31 AM ----------

Orthopaedic specialists are not the ones to ask about what causes the injuries they repair. Kinestheologists should offer better opinions.

Some of this stuff we can figure out for ourselves. The elbow, for example, acts as a hinge. If it folds naturally after a tennis serve or a baseball throw, it won't get injured. But, it will take only one bad serve or one bad throw to strain the ligament on the top of the elbow if the hinge is forced down unnaturally.

Conventional wisdom told me that my tennis elbow was the result of poor mechanics on my backhand. Several weeks of rest was recommended. Once I figured out that I was re-injuring it on my serve, I corrected the flaw and continued to play, serving better than ever before, while the elbow healed.

Do you mean kinesthesiology??? the medical and therapeutic study of movement muscles and joints?

[Oldfan]

...Do you mean kinesthesiology??? the medical and therapeutic study of movement muscles and joints?

Yes. I took a shot at the spelling and missed.