2013 FA Thread (Updates on OP) New: Merling, Brace, Pashos, Trueblood, EJBig, Tapp, White, Williams, MATTHEWS; Re-up: Rex, Hall, Davis, Paulsen, DY, RJax, Lich, Sundberg, Baker, Sav, Golston, Kehl, Polumbus; Paycuts: Carriker, Moss, BMeri, J. Wilson

[SkinsFanMania]

Glad that Lich is coming back, i don't expect him to be the starter for long, but securing him for the long term means even after he's replaced by Lerib or Gettis we'll have a solid backup who knows the position and who already has good chemistry with Trent, Monty, etc.

He also provides depth at center if god forbid, Monty is injured.

[J-bomb]

Manny is doing a great job this year. Definitely one of my guys on twitter.

all of you guys be holding it down keep up the excellent work! much appreciated!

[RWJ]

Do the Redskins look for another punter this year. With Rocca's age and injury it might be a concern.

[Dukes and Skins]

all of you guys be holding down keep it up! much appreciated!

The other guys are doing a good job, I'm just there for the show

[J-bomb]

Man, IncarceratedBob is behind the bullet this year. I guess he got tired of throwing **** against the wall and hoping it sticks?

seems like he knows his **** now...even the insiders affiliate with him

[Genghis Khan]

"john_keim: FWIW, last I heard on Chris Baker, was not close to a deal. #Redskins do have Chris Neild as a backup if they don't keep Baker."
--http://twitter.com/john_keim/status/310602569288396801

Why would they being having a hard time re-signing him?

[SkinsTillIDie]

The amount of money and resources we committed to the DL doesn't seem worth the production. And yes imo their is redundancy along the DL especially between Carriker and Jenkins.

I don't see how you can possibly claim redundancy when Carriker stepped up and played well when Jenkins missed the 2011 season through injury and Jenkins stepped up and played well when Carriker missed the 2012 season through injury.

By very definition, there's been no redundancy. There was depth, which proved crucial in 2011 and 2012. This is what happens when you acquire through both free agency and the draft.

And our defensive line was the strength of our defense.. what are your expectations for our line? You say our resources weren't worth the production and we'll agree to disagree.

I have no idea how much Smith will cost, but I do know that it will most likely be more then what he's worth because that is typically how FA works. And quality CBs seldom make it to FA.
I would prefer to address our CBs long term through the draft not through FA.

So would everyone. We'd like to address all our needs through the draft and not FA, every player. Obviously that's ideal. Unfortunately, it's not practical. And, as I've outlined, we still may yet seek a long-term solution at corner with our highest picks this year regardless of what we do in free agency.

Last year, it was argued that Garcon was overpaid, that he wasn't a #1 WR, that #1 WRs don't reach free agency, that he hasn't showcased enough to warrant the contract. His play last year proved it all wrong. He's a long-term solution at WR

Smith isn't some All-pro/Pro-bowl stud CB. He's a good FA CB. And imo its not wise to pay 'big money' to a good CB. So, you're right Smith isn't a lateral move but he's not s huge upgrade for the money he'll cost.

I'm no personnel expect and don't pretend to be so. Frankly, none of us know whether he can be a "pro bowl stud." Who among us didn't say the same about Garcon last year? I'd say he was worth every penny. If Shanahan and his scouting + support staff believe Smith can have a similar impact -- and can similarly be had at the ripe age in the burgeoning prime of his career -- I would defend the move as a wise one.

Like Garcon, Smith presents intriguing potential and potentially elite athleticism for the position. Like Garcon, Smith will be overpaid given his past production. And maybe like Garcon, Smith will emerge as a true #1 player at his position. There are uncertainties in free agency, which makes it risky. We were rewarded handsomely with our belief in Garcon, and I would argue that the upside with signing Smith might be the same.

Of course, I don't actually know.

You seem to be inventing my position as opposed to reading my posts:

No, your posts just seem to be contradictory. For example:

I'm not against FA.
On the contrary I'm all for smart FA, like the FO is currently engaged in.
Re-signing our own not overspending on outsiders.

I think the signings of Garcon, Morgan, Cofield, Chester, Bowen, and Wilson were -- again, by definition -- overspending on outsiders.

Most signings were condemned or even lampooned at the time. Bowen was a backup, Cofield was discarded by the Giants for Rocky Bernard. Wilson was discarded by two consecutive teams, Baltimore and Seattle. Chester was a backup. Only with the benefit of hindsight are we able to deduce these "smart FA" moves that our "FO is currently engaged in."

Bringing in team guys like Fletch or up and coming talent like Garcon.

So you were for the Garcon signing last year?

And I'm surprised that you'd support signing a 32-year old outsider to a big-money contract to be our defensive stalwart and lockerroom leader.

SIP-
Apparently I'm anti-FA.

I wouldn't say you're anti-FA, per se, but it seems to me that you are against taking risks in free agency and support moves with the benefit of hindsight. Which is fine and fair for any fan

[J-bomb]

"john_keim: Checked in with Rex Grossman today...he hopes to have a decision by next week. Also, Sav Rocca is on standby - would like to come back."
--http://twitter.com/john_keim/status/310607560346574850

[Hitman21ST]

"john_keim: Checked in with Rex Grossman today...he hopes to have a decision by next week. Also, Sav Rocca is on standby - would like to come back."
--http://twitter.com/john_keim/status/310607560346574850

I think it's safe to say Rex isn't coming back.

[SkinsTillIDie]

Why are people so worked up over Sean Smith?

Seriously, but in the last three years, whenever we've be linked to just about every huge free agent there is, and we ALWAYS sign the second tier guy instead.

Remember when we had the inside track to Santonio Holmes? Or when a deal with Cullen Jenkins was imminent? Remember how much interest we had in Vincent Jackson and Marshall Yanda, how Eric Wright was a sure thing? In the last three years, who exactly have we signed out of free agency that was actually a big name?

Go ahead, I'll wait.

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Yeah. I thought so.


If we sign Sean Smith, I'll eat my hat. More likely we tale a shot on a second tier guy who's most cost effective and has more to prove.

His name just came up and he's currently a placeholder for "Big Money Free Agent Cornerback."

I actually think it's most likely that we sign 2 free agent cornerbacks, aggressively attacking the market and signing something like both Toler and Arrington (who's good in the slot; terrible outside - just what we need).

In a similar fashion to how we approached the defensive line in 2011 and wide receiver in 2012

EDIT: also, as I posted in my previous post, Garcon was that big-money free agent in 2012. I think there are some similarities between Smith and Garcon. But with all the leaguewide interest in Smith and our cap situation, of course it's doubtful that we actually sign him.

[RWJ]

"john_keim: Checked in with Rex Grossman today...he hopes to have a decision by next week. Also, Sav Rocca is on standby - would like to come back."
--http://twitter.com/john_keim/status/310607560346574850

I saw GROSSman's name and wanted to puke. Honestly, I think we'd be the only NFL team to employ him. WE NEED TO MOVE ON FROM REX GROSSMAN. I also think it would be wise to find another punter whether it be free agency (Donnie Jones) or the draft.

[Dukes and Skins]

If not Arrington then I'd like to see a guy like EJ Biggers here

[DogofWar1]

FWIW, LL seems to think Kory won't make it the whole 5 years and that this was done more to spread out his cap hit. Kory probably didn't go for having his contract void after 2 years.

Probably not, our front office loves those voiding contracts, but even if he's only here 3 years (which i personally count as long term) that's still big for us from both an immediate starter and, depending on Lerib and Gettis, backup perspective.

[J-bomb]

I saw GROSSman's name and wanted to puke. Honestly, I think we'd be the only NFL team to employ him. WE NEED TO MOVE ON FROM REX GROSSMAN. I also think it would be wise to find another punter whether it be free agency (Donnie Jones) or the draft.

I agree we should pick up a project qb for development an draft or fa yng punter if there are any...

---------- Post added March-9th-2013 at 11:58 PM ----------

If not Arrington then I'd like to see a guy like EJ Biggers here

don't both have ties to Tampa an bruce?

[STBonecrusher21]

I think it's safe to say Rex isn't coming back.

I am completely comfortable going back to the 2 QB roster spot Shanny had a couple years ago.

And Rob and Kirk give me a whole lot more confidence than Rex and Beck did.