2013 FA Thread (Updates on OP) New: Merling, Brace, Pashos, Trueblood, EJBig, Tapp, White, Williams, MATTHEWS; Re-up: Rex, Hall, Davis, Paulsen, DY, RJax, Lich, Sundberg, Baker, Sav, Golston, Kehl, Polumbus; Paycuts: Carriker, Moss, BMeri, J. Wilson

[method man]

Glover Quin is an in-the-box SS.

But his specialty is pass coverage. Most would assume that an "in-the-box SS" would be there for primary run support, with negating abilities in coverage. Quin however can run support as well, but he stands out in pass coverage.

He's a hybrid player that is used like an old-school Rover, yet in a modern design for the Houston 3-4. He single covers TEs the vast majority of time in passing situations. He'll also press the Slot. He is "90%" of the time, in-the-box on any given snap, and it's been that way throughout the year. I say "90%" not as a specific calculation but to reiteration that after you've watched a good amount of tape on him, you understand his role. Use game rewind for any Houston game and you'll see the distinction needed to be made between his role at HOU and what folks are casually calling "FS."

His role is something that the Skins really don't apply currently, or have, to their scheme. People casually titling him a FS ... I guess haven't watched him play.

I'm not making a broad-based statement that he can't play FS, because he's very athletic and probably could, but his role currently is hybrid, "Nickel LB," or "Rover SS." And folks should know the distinction.

He's also a bigger name than people are making him out to be. He's not in the same conversation, level, as Kenny Phillips - - as some have made it to be (implication being he's middling or "on the cheap"). Nothing against Phillips.

Quin is a known name. He is very good at what he does and will command a pretty penny.

He's tops in terms of passes defended. At least for a safety he is. And I haven't looked at nor am I using any stats for reference ...

Actually just did a quick search ... Quin has 17 PDs on the year, regular and post-season combined. He's 2nd behind Ed Reed (18) for all of the Safeties league wide and rivals some of the top CBs too. There's not another SS who is near him in PDs, only the other Free Safeties seem to be able to rival him in PDs ... and that's just representative of the FS at large getting more action in the pass game as opposed to the SS. The safeties that are behind Reed and Quin, don't have near the same numbers (around 9 to 11 PDs). In fact league wide when you look at the stats, the next in line is Michael Huff at 13, who has been playing CB, not his usual FS, in Oakland.

So you see, he's doing something that few other safeties are doing, but it's especially poignant since he's single covering larger TEs and quick Slot receivers on SINGLE MAN.

When you watch him (Quin), you'll see just how tight his coverage can be. how physical he gets with guys who are much larger than he and you'll see the ball skills to disrupt the completion of a pass.

Quin is a known name.
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I don't want Tracy Porter. He is constantly letting guys overtop, always giving steps. It's was like that in New Orleans and it's like that in Denver. Aside from a handful of highlight plays (actually I can only think of the Super Bowl INT), his average play to play is not that inspiring. Gives up more than he takes away. He's not all that.
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Sam Shields is a Restricted Free Agent. RFAs don't change teams. It's cost effective for the Parent team to tender the player and even if a qualifying tender sheet is offered by a suitor team, the exchange of draft picks (compensation based on tender) really hinders any transactions in RFA - league wide.

Not a single RFA changed teams in 2011. To my knowledge, it was the same in 2012. In fact, I don't think any offer sheets were even handed out to any of the 42 RFAs, of 2012.
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To my knowledge, no one has mentioned Cary Williams in here. He has already been covered in the comprehensive, Talib as well.

Cary Williams: like his ball skills, especially on deflections (tip-drill). In fact, a couple of his INTs this year were from deflected passes that he just corralled in. His length and anticipation also stand out. Part of the success has to be credited to the Baltimore D at large, but that's part and parcel with free agent acquisitions, incorporation or assimilating players from successful programs. FYI Williams has 19 PDs on the year, (5 INTs).

I question Cary Williams's ball skills. Sure he has 5 picks this year but he had a grand total of 0 in his first 4 seasons. Perhaps, he has improved but I definitely don't want Carlos Rogers in DC 2.0. If he is SF Carlos Rogers 2.0, I'd give him another look. Keenan Lewis's lack of ball skills are why I don't want him.

[Veretax]

Before looking at others teams players... I'd like to comment on ours.



Offense:
-Rex Grossman, Quarterback (32) - Let go if he wants too, sign someone else.
-Darrell Young, Fullback (25) - Hopefully Rsign
-Fred Davis, Tightend (26) - Think we should resign
-Chris Cooley, Tightend (30) - Doubt we resign
-Jordan Black, Offensive Tackle (32) (suspended for PED/2 games left on his 4 game suspension) - Let go
-Tyler Polumbus, Offensive Tackle (27) - Maybe resign
-Kory Lichtensteiger, Left Guard/Center (27) - Maybe resign

Defense:
-Lorenzo Alexander, Outside/Inside Linebacker (29) - Resign
-Rob Jackson, Outside LInebacker/Playmaker (27) (RFA)* - - Resign/extend
-Chris Wilson, Outside Linebacker (30) - Let go.
-Bryan Kehl, Outside Linebacker/Inside Linebacker (28) - no idea
-Chris Baker, Nose Tackle (25) - no idea
-Kedric Golston, Defensive End (29) - thinking, let go.
-Cedric Griffin, Cornerback (30) - no way
-David Jones, Cornerback (27) - no idea
-Madieu Williams, Free Safety (31) - maybe
-Sav Rocca, Punter (39) - maybe

signing our OL talent depends greatly on what we think we can replace it with.

[J-bomb]

ANYONE suggesting we resign or have madodo on this team next year should be banned! I'd rather roid boy than williams...

[rookieskin]

We've GOT to resign Rocca.

[morpheusmeyers]

Read my mind. Weren't both those guys drafted in the same year? And also the name Glenn Dorsey sort of pops into my mind whenever Merling or Balmer are mentioned.

Yeah, they were both drafted in 08'. Balmer was drafted #29 and Merling went #32.

We've got the makings of a grade A d-line if Carriker and Neild come back healthy...

Coefield, Neild, Carriker.
Jenkins, Baker, Bowen.

Merling and Worthington as reserves/camp competition.

And Golston is in the mix, too.

[Skins199021]

White guy scenario

Sign Brian Hartline and Danny Amendola (Moss would probably be out

Garcon/Hartline/Amendola as the 2 WRs and the slot guy. With Hankerson, Morgan, Robinson off the bench.

[757SeanTaylor21]

You know what I'd actually do after resigning Davis, Jackson, young, kory and Alexander? I'd restructure hall/cut him..restructure moss and London and give Ryan clady average of top 10 lt salaries to play RT. he would honestly be the one major fa I would love because If Trent ever went down...we would have a sure fire lt right there that could fill his shoes in without a dramatic drop off. We seen against the bengals what it would look like if Trent went down...it was a field day. Clady would immediately be the best rt in the game and the best backup lt in the nfl. When we are talkin about protecting our franchise qb...we need him to have the best line cause we can't afford our rt getting abused left and right every down FORCING him to run.

[Skinsinparadise]

Clady would immediately be the best rt in the game and the best backup lt in the nfl. When we are talkin about protecting our franchise qb...we need him to have the best line cause we can't afford our rt getting abused left and right every down FORCING him to run.

2 problems with this IMO.

1. What team can afford to have two O lineman with huge salaries?

2. Why would a premier LT would be willing to switch to the much less glamorous RT? It's like asking a top closer in baseball to be a middle reliever

[DogofWar1]

White guy scenario
Sign Brian Hartline and Danny Amendola (Moss would probably be out
Garcon/Hartline/Amendola as the 2 WRs and the slot guy. With Hankerson, Morgan, Robinson off the bench.

Amendola in the slot would be good, but Hartline is probably not necessary. Morgan and Hankerson are a pretty good group for the outside, so they can switch off while Garcon is the WR1.

[Chump Bailey]

I think the best we can hope for WRT the RT position is that either Tom Compton wins/earns the job, Tyler gets better or we find another OT/OG type in the draft that has starter ability. Our cap situation all but ensures no big additions. I suppose we should include Hurt in the discussion too.

[jsharrin55]

If we were to spend big on a FA safety, it should be Byrd. He is amazing in that he is not very fast but he might have the best instincts of any safety in the NFL. Keep an eye on where his Dad, Gill Byrd, goes. Gill is a DB coach in the NFL, most recently with the Bears. Jairus might follow him.

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By the way, does anyone know the cap hit of letting Merriweather go? If we are worried about injury prone guys, shouldn't he be tops on the list?

http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm

for 2013 it looks like we save 1.4mill cutting Meriweather. These numbers are pretty close, at least the best for generating discussions.

[Gallen5862]

Are their any free agent punters that can also be used on kickoffs? Would Chas Henry be a good free agent punter to sign?

[Skins199021]

Amendola in the slot would be good, but Hartline is probably not necessary. Morgan and Hankerson are a pretty good group for the outside, so they can switch off while Garcon is the WR1.

Haha I was kind of just joking, having 2 white WRs would be funny.

But yes I think Amendola will be awesome in the slot. I have a funny feeling the Patriots are going to let Welker Walk and go After Amendola. We need a slot guy like him, he is going to be 28 and he is a great route runner.

If out FA signings went something like. Danny Amendola, Glover Quin, Sam Shields, Ryan Harris. And we resigned Davis, Alexander, Rob Jackson, Rocca, Lighty, Polumbus, and some veteran CB for short term deal for depth, that would be great heading into the draft.

Moss would be cut, Brown has to be cut, Hall will be cut unless we significantly restructure his deal.

For the Offense. Keeping the line in tact and putting Harris out there for as long as he can play would be ideal, with Polumbus on the bench. Having Garcon and Hankerson/Morgan on the outside with Amendola in the slot and Davis at TE would cause a lot of match-up problems

On Defense, if hall isn't Cut. Hall/Shields/Wilson/Veteran/Crawford/Draft Pick as the CBs. Quin/Merriweather/Gomes/Bernstine/Draft pick as the safeties.

[DogofWar1]

But yes I think Amendola will be awesome in the slot. I have a funny feeling the Patriots are going to let Welker Walk and go After Amendola. We need a slot guy like him, he is going to be 28 and he is a great route runner.
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For the Offense. Keeping the line in tact and putting Harris out there for as long as he can play would be ideal, with Polumbus on the bench. Having Garcon and Hankerson/Morgan on the outside with Amendola in the slot and Davis at TE would cause a lot of match-up problems

On Defense, if hall isn't Cut. Hall/Shields/Wilson/Veteran/Crawford/Draft Pick as the CBs. Quin/Merriweather/Gomes/Bernstine/Draft pick as the safeties.

I think the Pats are trying to use Edelman as a replacement to Welker, but we'll have to see. I wouldn't put it past them going after him.

Hall said he is willing to talk about restructuring his deal, so that might happen. I think he's realized that:
a) he is worth nowhere near what he is being paid
b) he is on the chopping block at current salary
c) he's getting maybe, *maybe* half of his current salary somewhere else
d) the Redskins are on the rise.

If I was him, I'd read the writing on the wall, restructure, and do my best to hang on with us for as long as he can, and his statements seem to indicate he might be thinking that too.

[Monk4thaHALL]

I question Cary Williams's ball skills. Sure he has 5 picks this year but he had a grand total of 0 in his first 4 seasons
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Williams has only started in the last two years, hence his production.

First two years in Tennesee he only saw action in a total of 5 games (of 32 possible). Little time coupled with being on their practice squad and he had some injury which kept him out at times. Despite that, Ozzie and Baltimore signed him off the titans practice squad.

Again, they have a track record with these CBs. In '09 he was special teams, reserve. In fact his first three years in the league he saw action in only 10 games. In '10 he saw spot action in a reserve role in 13 games.

It wasn't until he actually got a shot last year that he proved he could hang around. When you think about it, he's really only in his second year of action, even though he's been in the league since 2008. This year he's improved over last, not just statically but to the eye as well. And that, to me, is indicative of a decent/good player - when given live action and game experience, they flourish.

Among some of the stats I put the most stock in, for a CB, is passes defended. And that relates to ball skills. He had 18 in 2011 and now 19 in 2012. His INTs apply to ball skills as well, but also includes tracking the ball and catching a deflection - his hands, also anticipation or feel.

But what he does in the future, I can't guess that. All I know is what I've seen.