2013 FA Thread (Updates on OP) New: Merling, Brace, Pashos, Trueblood, EJBig, Tapp, White, Williams, MATTHEWS; Re-up: Rex, Hall, Davis, Paulsen, DY, RJax, Lich, Sundberg, Baker, Sav, Golston, Kehl, Polumbus; Paycuts: Carriker, Moss, BMeri, J. Wilson

[pjfootballer]

I still like Helu as our 3rd down back. He's still under his rookie contract, he knows the system and as long as his sore achilles have had the proper rest, he will be the 3rd down back to come in and get some carries and has the best hands for catching passes. I mean, he did tie a Redskins record with 14 in a game last year.

You guys keep talking about our RBs needing to block, but with the pistol, the RB's rarely were asked to block with the FB and TE in tight. Maybe on the backside for a rollout, but I think Helu does good enough as a blocker. I'm no on the bring Tim Hightower back bandwagon. I like our young RBs.

[DC9]

We did fine last year with the cap penalty and not getting trouble makers, so why is this offseason different?

Totally agree. Getting a guy with a mean streak (Garcon) is totally different from getting a guy who hits women during the offseason. There are guys with mean streaks (especially DBs) that are available and will be good fits on this football team for the 2013 season. No reason to take a shot on this kid.

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I still like Helu as our 3rd down back. He's still under his rookie contract, he knows the system and as long as his sore achilles have had the proper rest, he will be the 3rd down back to come in and get some carries and has the best hands for catching passes. I mean, he did tie a Redskins record with 14 last years in a game.

People also forget that Helu was a Pistol running back at Nebraska... and was LETHAL!

[KingGibbs]

Let Hall walk and we have $8 million under the cap and NO dead money. What would you do there?

[DC9]

Let Hall walk and we have $8 million under the cap and NO dead money. What would you do there?

It would open up a huge hole in the secondary. I'm not a big 23 guy, myself... but he balled his ass off the second part of the season. Depending on how he restructures (ie: dead money on the back end two to three years from now) I'd at least sit down at the table with him. I think Safety was a bigger need than Corner this past season, though an upgrade is definitely needed.

[DogofWar1]

It would open up a huge hole in the secondary. I'm not a big 23 guy, myself... but he balled his ass off the second part of the season. Depending on how he restructures (ie: dead money on the back end two to three years from now) I'd at least sit down at the table with him. I think Safety was a bigger need than Corner this past season, though an upgrade is definitely needed.

When we were 3-6, it looked like Hall and his huge cap number were gone at the end of the year. After the 2nd half, I agree, we need to discuss his number, but having him back would also be good.

One thing that might help is that Hall should be able to be a corner or FS. Depending on how FA goes, what players come free, what we can afford, etc., having a guy who could slide to either spot would be useful. If all the safeties get franchised, but some corners come free, we could sign a corner, and slide Hall to safety.

Regardless, he's good enough to keep on the team, but he's worth maybe half what he's getting, and that needs to be addressed.

[doghouse4x4]

It would open up a huge hole in the secondary. I'm not a big 23 guy, myself... but he balled his ass off the second part of the season. Depending on how he restructures (ie: dead money on the back end two to three years from now) I'd at least sit down at the table with him. I think Safety was a bigger need than Corner this past season, though an upgrade is definitely needed.

Agreed.

[DogofWar1]

Cornerbacks incoming:





Also, I couldn't find Kyle Arrington on KFFL for injury history.

I'm a little wary of Grimes, he's really good, but he's getting up there in years, and his health worries me a bit.

Also, I'll probably do one for just their 2012 stats, since some of them were late bloomers, like Tony Carter. He pretty much did nothing until this year, when he suddenly started playing decently for the Broncos.

[jsharrin55]

Did you see why the Steelers released him?

I hadn't seen it actually. I was simply commenting on the player. I like Helu enough to leave RB as it is, just thought I'd add my 2 cents.

[JMUSkins]

Let Hall walk and we have $8 million under the cap and NO dead money. What would you do there?

I'd restructure his contract... as he said he would be open to doing.

[DogofWar1]

I like our rbs from a running perspective, Morris is a beast and Helu is plenty fast (Royster strikes me as a good #3) back, though I'd like to see blocking improve. If THT wanted to come back and was healthy that'd be good, I think carrying four backs and then Young as FB would be a good group, and would hedge against injuries.

[2cents]

I'd restructure his contract... as he said he would be open to doing.

I don't think there will be too much trouble resturcturing Hall and Moss, they both know we are close and that they aren't going to have all that many people knocking on their door. I think they both stay.

[DC9]

I don't think there will be too much trouble resturcturing Hall and Moss, they both know we are close and that they aren't going to have all that many people knocking on their door. I think they both stay.

It'll be interesting. With Moss, I'd be more interested in re-working his contract in terms of how much he will get... basically cutting his pay in half.

With DeAngelo I'd be more open to restructuring and maybe adding a year to spread whatever money he has now... but also not adding any money (maybe 200k to make it look legit) so there is less on the back end if his performance drops over the next two seasons.

This scenario sucks, because Moss has obviously been the better team guy, but mid-30's for a Wide Receiver is rare air. And as I said, if anyone from the last 10 years deserves to be on this ride it's him in my opinion.

[DogofWar1]

It'll be interesting. With Moss, I'd be more interested in re-working his contract in terms of how much he will get... basically cutting his pay in half.

With DeAngelo I'd be more open to restructuring and maybe adding a year to spread whatever money he has now... but also not adding any money (maybe 200k to make it look legit) so there is less on the back end if his performance drops over the next two seasons.

This scenario sucks, because Moss has obviously been the better team guy, but mid-30's for a Wide Receiver is rare air. And as I said, if anyone from the last 10 years deserves to be on this ride it's him in my opinion.

I agree with this on all points.

The one thing that gets hairy with Hall is that he's due 16.5M over the next two years in base salary, and that's before bonuses, which I think are 3M per year, so he's actually due something like 22.5M over the next two years before becoming a FA. Even if we added a third year to that his cap hit would only go down a couple million.

Maybe someone with more knowledge of how contracts work can help, but is there anything we can do with his signing bonuses? 16.5M over 3 years (5.5M/year) is pretty manageable, but 22.5M over 3 years (7.5M/year) is a bit much for what he brings, in my opinion.

I would also love to see Moss here, but not at 5M a year, I think half that or around 2M would be about right.

[DC9]

that's before bonuses, which I think are 3M per year

The only bonus I am aware of is his workout bonus which kicks in on either 1 March or 1 April and I believe it's $150k or $200k. The contract has to be restructured before that bonus kicks in or we are stuck with either cutting him or paying him his base salary for the year. He may have more bonuses, but I am not sure they add up to $3 mil, could be wrong though.

The rest looks perfect and I'd agree with all.

[SemperFi Skins]

I just want to add a point of clarification:

Chris Rainey can not be cut yet. For teams not in the playoffs and whose season as ended, they can not cut anyone until after the SuperBowl has occured.

Therefore, he will not be on the waiver wire anyway, until about a month or so...

This is just implying that he 'will' be released.