2013 FA Thread (Updates on OP) New: Merling, Brace, Pashos, Trueblood, EJBig, Tapp, White, Williams, MATTHEWS; Re-up: Rex, Hall, Davis, Paulsen, DY, RJax, Lich, Sundberg, Baker, Sav, Golston, Kehl, Polumbus; Paycuts: Carriker, Moss, BMeri, J. Wilson

[lifeisgr8]

He doesn't play the game decently though is the problem. He's nowhere near the passer RGIII is, nor is he remotely close to being the athlete RGIII is. Our offense is dangerous because you have to account for:
A) Morris wrecking balling his way 10 yards down the field
B) RGIII taking off with 4.3 speed
C) RGIII being able to throw it anywhere on the field on a wire

With Tebow there, defenses need only worry about A. Tebow has 4.7 speed, which is good for a QB, but slow for a QB in the type of offense we're trying to run. Also his throws are very poor, so C goes out the window.

We'd be much better off just conceding B if RGIII goes down and running a traditional offense behind Cousins.

If we really want a QB who can run the offense RGIII does, we should just draft Nick Florence late. He's a better passer than Tebow IMO, and runs something like a 4.6, so faster than Tebow.

Like I said im not saying to bring him in as the #2 bring him in just to be a closer if (god forbid) RG3 goes down in the middle of a game. Changing your offense in the middle of a game is hard on a team. Timing blocking and everything you've practiced all week goes out tue door. But if he can finish a game for us and give the team a week to practice with a completely different qb, he's done what we needed him to do.

---------- Post added January-11th-2013 at 07:11 PM ----------

He is a horrible passer. Just horrible. I watched his 2-20something game against the Chiefs last year and he had absolutely NO idea where the ball was going when it left his hand. None whatsoever. Given how well the team played with Cousins in there, there is no reason to make a move such as this.

You are 100% right. So don't ask him to throw unless its absolutely needed. managing a game and winning a game he CAN do though.

[2cents]

Like I said im not saying to bring him in as the #2 bring him in just to be a closer if (god forbid) RG3 goes down in the middle of a game. Changing your offense in the middle of a game is hard on a team. Timing blocking and everything you've practiced all week goes out tue door. But if he can finish a game for us and give the team a week to practice with a completely different qb, he's done what we needed him to do.

---------- Post added January-11th-2013 at 07:11 PM ----------



Since you already have Cousins and he works, its just an unecessary move.

You are 100% right. So don't ask him to throw unless its absolutely needed. managing a game and winning a game he CAN do though.

[clskinsfan]

I personally think that Tim Tebow would be a great asset for our team. His college offense was predicated around the pistol offense. If we could have had him as a backup in the Seattle game the defense would have had to play honest.I think Kurt Cousinsis a good quarterback but when your offense especially the offensive line is used to a mobile qb in the middle of a game it's hard adjust. don't get me wrong I'm not at all saying Tim Tebow is a better passer or a better runner then either of the quarterbacks we have. All I'm saying is he's a better relief to step in and help finish a game.

If we are gonna let Cousins walk and then add a veteran backup. I would rather have Vick. At least the offense could still be run with him in the pistol.

Edit: By letting Cousins walk I mean in a trade for draft picks.

[lifeisgr8]

If we are gonna let Cousins walk and then add a veteran backup. I would rather have Vick. At least the offense could still be run with him in the pistol.

Edit: By letting Cousins walk I mean in a trade for draft picks.

Then you deal with the same injury scenario. TT rarely gets hurt... and above all he's not a cancer.

---------- Post added January-11th-2013 at 07:19 PM ----------

and I'm not saying like cousins go at all having to starters on your team is great that you could use Tim Tebow as a closer or a relief pitcher per se but at the quarterback position

[DogofWar1]

Like I said im not saying to bring him in as the #2 bring him in just to be a closer if (god forbid) RG3 goes down in the middle of a game. Changing your offense in the middle of a game is hard on a team. Timing blocking and everything you've practiced all week goes out tue door. But if he can finish a game for us and give the team a week to practice with a completely different qb, he's done what we needed him to do.

---------- Post added January-11th-2013 at 07:11 PM ----------



You are 100% right. So don't ask him to throw unless its absolutely needed. managing a game and winning a game he CAN do though.

Terribly impractical, think about this from the prospective of the defense. Opposing QB just went down, and they're replacing him with a guy who cannot throw for crap. Everything is going to be on the ground. The defense stuffs 8 in the box, and laughs as we can't move the ball. Tebow tries to pass, and unless we get Tebow magic, we're more likely to watch INTs than TDs.

Also, the thing to remember is that the zone read and pistol are just a part of the playbook, not the whole thing. We can and do run traditional plays with RGIII. So if RGIII went down we'd simply run the traditional plays, not the ones calling for the QB to run. We wouldn't be changing the offense wholesale so much as shrinking it a bit.

Not to mention, our offense will likely become more traditional as we go forward, this year's offense was a "bridge" offense, not the norm.

So with Cousins, we basically just cut out some of the plays where the QB has to be highly mobile, but the offense stays largely the same, not to mention we can still go through the air. With Tebow, sure, we can keep the mobile QB plays, but we have to toss all the pass plays.

It's just a bad idea overall. Cousins and the rest of the offense do fine. We actually did ok in Atlanta, the problem was the 2 INTs Cousins threw, which was to be expected for his first time playing a game in the NFL. Play that same game again, Cousins and the offense probably does fine, and we might even win it.

[clskinsfan]

Terribly impractical, think about this from the prospective of the defense. Opposing QB just went down, and they're replacing him with a guy who cannot throw for crap. Everything is going to be on the ground. The defense stuffs 8 in the box, and laughs as we can't move the ball. Tebow tries to pass, and unless we get Tebow magic, we're more likely to watch INTs than TDs.

Also, the thing to remember is that the zone read and pistol are just a part of the playbook, not the whole thing. We can and do run traditional plays with RGIII. So if RGIII went down we'd simply run the traditional plays, not the ones calling for the QB to run. We wouldn't be changing the offense wholesale so much as shrinking it a bit.

Not to mention, our offense will likely become more traditional as we go forward, this year's offense was a "bridge" offense, not the norm.

So with Cousins, we basically just cut out some of the plays where the QB has to be highly mobile, but the offense stays largely the same, not to mention we can still go through the air. With Tebow, sure, we can keep the mobile QB plays, but we have to toss all the pass plays.

It's just a bad idea overall. Cousins and the rest of the offense do fine. We actually did ok in Atlanta, the problem was the 2 INTs Cousins threw, which was to be expected for his first time playing a game in the NFL. Play that same game again, Cousins and the offense probably does fine, and we might even win it.

This years offense is only a bridge offense because RG3 got hurt like I said he would. If he would have made it through the season healthy we would be running it again next year.

[lifeisgr8]

Terribly impractical, think about this from the prospective of the defense. Opposing QB just went down, and they're replacing him with a guy who cannot throw for crap. Everything is going to be on the ground. The defense stuffs 8 in the box, and laughs as we can't move the ball. Tebow tries to pass, and unless we get Tebow magic, we're more likely to watch INTs than TDs.

Also, the thing to remember is that the zone read and pistol are just a part of the playbook, not the whole thing. We can and do run traditional plays with RGIII. So if RGIII went down we'd simply run the traditional plays, not the ones calling for the QB to run. We wouldn't be changing the offense wholesale so much as shrinking it a bit.

Not to mention, our offense will likely become more traditional as we go forward, this year's offense was a "bridge" offense, not the norm.

So with Cousins, we basically just cut out some of the plays where the QB has to be highly mobile, but the offense stays largely the same, not to mention we can still go through the air. With Tebow, sure, we can keep the mobile QB plays, but we have to toss all the pass plays.

It's just a bad idea overall. Cousins and the rest of the offense do fine. We actually did ok in Atlanta, the problem was the 2 INTs Cousins threw, which was to be expected for his first time playing a game in the NFL. Play that same game again, Cousins and the offense probably does fine, and we might even win it.

I can agree with that. Just saying having him as a back up wouldn't hurt. Plus he can do more than just back up the qb. Trick plays with his at fullback fake punts as well as the things I already stated. Just a little something to remember. .. teams knew he couldnt pass, stacked the line and still took a team beyind one game in the playoffs...js the kids a winner period

[rick7423]

I personally think that Tim Tebow would be a great asset for our team. His college offense was predicated around the pistol offense. If we could have had him as a backup in the Seattle game the defense would have had to play honest.I think Kurt Cousinsis a good quarterback but when your offense especially the offensive line is used to a mobile qb in the middle of a game it's hard adjust. don't get me wrong I'm not at all saying Tim Tebow is a better passer or a better runner then either of the quarterbacks we have. All I'm saying is he's a better relief to step in and help finish a game.

This almost made me gag. I do not want him anywhere near this team.

[HigSkin]

Raheem Morris verbally committed to the Skins 1 year ago today. I don't know the exact contract sign date but it must be coming up soon. Hope they lock him up for another year.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2...ve-coordinator

"Morris on Jan. 11 orally accepted the Redskins’ offer for a one-year deal."

[lifeisgr8]

Raheem Morris verbally committed to the Skins 1 year ago today. I don't know the exact contract sign date but it must be coming up soon. Hope they lock him up for another year.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2...ve-coordinator

"Morris on Jan. 11 orally accepted the Redskins’ offer for a one-year deal."

Huge off-season necessity

[DogofWar1]

This years offense is only a bridge offense because RG3 got hurt like I said he would. If he would have made it through the season healthy we would be running it again next year.

Not really, Trent Dilfer was discussing how the offense we were running was a bridge offense way back before the Baltimore game. Theoretically, we could keep running this same offense, but I don't think that was ever in the cards. The injuries, if they do anything, merely expedite our implementation of traditional concepts, not force them when we didn't want them.

[DC9]

I personally think that Tim Tebow would be a great asset for our team. His college offense was predicated around the pistol offense. If we could have had him as a backup in the Seattle game the defense would have had to play honest.I think Kurt Cousinsis a good quarterback but when your offense especially the offensive line is used to a mobile qb in the middle of a game it's hard adjust. don't get me wrong I'm not at all saying Tim Tebow is a better passer or a better runner then either of the quarterbacks we have. All I'm saying is he's a better relief to step in and help finish a game.

He's a distraction. We don't need distractions. This football team is close. No thank you at all. If we get anyone of that build it needs to be Nick Florence, who backed up Robert at Baylor.

I agree with your point about the offense, but I think timing wise, the only person it's truly going to effect is the running back. Most everything else is the same as if the boot/inside-outside zone stretches were being run including the routes.

---------- Post added January-11th-2013 at 07:55 PM ----------

Why?
I've had two ppl say no and act like im crazy but no reasoning behind it...
it's not as character because all in all is a good person and a team player. It's not his game play because he actually plays the game decently for what you're asking him to do. So why not?

He is a distraction and an innacurate passer. Two things we don't need on this team.

[skinfan2k]

The bridge offense was implemented because it was the only way to mask the O-line problems and use his entire skill set

[DC9]

Like I said im not saying to bring him in as the #2 bring him in just to be a closer if (god forbid) RG3 goes down in the middle of a game. Changing your offense in the middle of a game is hard on a team. Timing blocking and everything you've practiced all week goes out tue door. But if he can finish a game for us and give the team a week to practice with a completely different qb, he's done what we needed him to do.

lifeisgr8, when a team get's close to being a contender, each of the 53 roster spots becomes valuable. You saw three players who were cut contribute elsewhere this year and I believe five or six players were added to other teams 53 or practice squads. Next year will there will be even more competition. So, bottom line up front, we won't have room for a "closer" on this squad. If we bring in a backup who can run the Pistol, it needs to be someone who can play if Robert isn't ready, Kirk can't play, and who can reliably start for this football team. That's the only way someone should get a roster spot.

The battles at Linebacker and Defensive Line will be epic this offseason/pre-season. If we have our way (and land a few players from the OP of this thread) then the Secondary and possibly running back and receiver will have some fantastic battles as well. Players want to play here. We don't need Tebow and we don't need his baggage, especially with Robert coming off of an injury.

---------- Post added January-11th-2013 at 08:03 PM ----------

The bridge offense was implemented because it was the only way to mask the O-line problems and use his entire skill set

I think we'll continue to see elements off it, but I think you'll see a lot more stretch and boot action next season. AlMo and Helu will be leaned on heavily while Robert gets his legs back, I suspect. And a RT who can pass block will also add to the playbook .

[lifeisgr8]

DC9 excellent point with not having the room. If we do though (and we should bc most teams have 3 qb's) I as a fan wouldn't mind it at all.