2013 FA Thread (Updates on OP) New: Merling, Brace, Pashos, Trueblood, EJBig, Tapp, White, Williams, MATTHEWS; Re-up: Rex, Hall, Davis, Paulsen, DY, RJax, Lich, Sundberg, Baker, Sav, Golston, Kehl, Polumbus; Paycuts: Carriker, Moss, BMeri, J. Wilson

[RWJ]

It will be interesting no doubt. I was expressing my point of view since I asked you to express yours, just a couple of guys talking some ball

Exactly. That's why I love ES.

[PlayAction]

Rocca - "Old" doesn't really apply to punters unless they no longer have sufficient hang time or distance. Sav Rocca performed well enough that punting was not an issue even when he was playing with an MCL injury. As long as he returns healthy I see no problem keeping him. By all means have some other punters in training camp but don't waste a draft pick on one.

Santana Moss - I recall the discussion last year when Gafney was the most productive receiver yet he was still cut. Moss is very close to the end of his career and he costs WAY too much. Time to cut bait. I'd rather lose some production (hypothetically) but give playing experience to a young WR (either one on the current roster, free agent or draft pick).

Fletcher - 6 million - it has to end sometime and the end is coming sooner rather than later. Personally, I'd like to see him in a rotation while the younger player gets more experience. But that role is not worth 6 million. The old players need to make room for the new so unless he accepts a reduced role and pay cut I think it's time for him to retire.

I'm not sure the Skins will carry a third QB next year. Why would they? Cousins has shown he can handle the backup duties and Grossman was not active the entire season. Use the roster spot where it's needed.

[DogofWar1]

Why do you hope Fletch retires? He's been great! A London Fletcher only comes around in a great blue moon but he's old and we need to spend the money elsewhere and need it for the cap and draft. Riley should take over his position with Robinson backing up.

The ideal situation would be for Fletcher to retire, which would mean we don't owe him the remaining guaranteed money on his contract (I think, or it goes off-book or something), then have him come out of retirement and sign back with us for cheap. If Fletcher doesn't retire, we're on the hook for a couple million no matter what, so we'll need to do something wacky like extend him a year and move some of the 6+M he's owed into next year, when he almost certainly will retire.

How/where can the money saved from cutting Tana benefit the team more then Tana's production? Yes, Moss was one of our best WR last year but again we need money for the cap/draft, most especially the cap. IF we cut him straight up and he wants to come back for the vet minimum, which I doubt he does Aldrick needs to step up and take his place plus we might be drafting a WR that fits his mold.

Money is the big problem with Moss. His production and abilities are good enough to warrant a couple million, but not the 5M he's due. There will be options out there for the slot, the key question is if those options are ones we want to pursue with our limited resources. Do we want to spend a 2nd or 3rd rounder on Austin, Bailey, or Wheaton, or maybe put some money into FA for someone like Amendola or Royal (if he's released)? As for Robinson, I'm hoping he develops into Moss 2.0, but until I see it on the field we can't trust him to do that. So far he looks a bit like a one trick pony.

Why would you be against Colt McCoy?[/ I don't think McCoy fits out scheme. I could be wrong but I think Shanahan will resign GROSSman. I hate Grossman but IF not him than maybe an UDFA that fits our scheme better than McCoy.

McCoy is someone who I think would be good as a #3, he wasn't actually all that bad in CLE, considering that he was there during two years when they had NOTHING at the wide receiver position, and in his 2nd year, 2011, Peyton Hillis fell off a cliff. Seriously, in his 2nd year his top WR was Greg HE DROPPED ANOTHER ONE Little, and their top rusher was Hillis with less than 600 yards. He rushed for 212 yards that season by himself, and somehow managed a positive TD/INT ratio. McCoy is someone who probably doesn't have a really high ceiling, maybe an Alex Smith like passing game, but with slightly better wheels.

The wild card is his injury history, he took some big hits with the Browns, so I'm not sure how much that screwed up his game. If he's healthy, I'd bet he's an upgrade to Grossman though, and considering the strategy is still to probably trade Cousins after this season, McCoy could be a very good long term backup.

[HighOnHendrix]

McCoy is someone who I think would be good as a #3, he wasn't actually all that bad in CLE, considering that he was there during two years when they had NOTHING at the wide receiver position, and in his 2nd year, 2011, Peyton Hillis fell off a cliff. Seriously, in his 2nd year his top WR was Greg HE DROPPED ANOTHER ONE Little, and their top rusher was Hillis with less than 600 yards. He rushed for 212 yards that season by himself, and somehow managed a positive TD/INT ratio. McCoy is someone who probably doesn't have a really high ceiling, maybe an Alex Smith like passing game, but with slightly better wheels.

Good analysis, he was not on my radar as someone that's even available. We need someone on the roster to fill as a third QB for this year at least. Maybe in 14 we could get away with two; but even then that's assuming Captain Kirk is still around - far from a certainty.

[RWJ]

Money is the big problem with Moss. His production and abilities are good enough to warrant a couple million, but not the 5M he's due. There will be options out there for the slot, the key question is if those options are ones we want to pursue with our limited resources. Do we want to spend a 2nd or 3rd rounder on Austin, Bailey, or Wheaton, or maybe put some money into FA for someone like Amendola or Royal (if he's released)? As for Robinson, I'm hoping he develops into Moss 2.0, but until I see it on the field we can't trust him to do that. So far he looks a bit like a one trick pony.

One of these 3 would be great. The one I like most and he MAY be available in the 3rd, I THINK definitely in the 2nd is Bailey. Check this post from KFFL.com from Draftinsider.net.

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=2




NFL | Stedman Bailey drawing big-time comparison
Fri, 15 Feb 2013 20:01:09 -0800

West Virginia WR Stedman Bailey has reportedly stood out during combine training, and he could be the surprise receiver at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. He has drawn comparisons to Carolina Panthers WR Steve Smith.
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[UK SKINS FAN '74]

Fletcher - 6 million - it has to end sometime and the end is coming sooner rather than later. Personally, I'd like to see him in a rotation while the younger player gets more experience. But that role is not worth 6 million. The old players need to make room for the new so unless he accepts a reduced role and pay cut I think it's time for him to retire.

I'm not sure the Skins will carry a third QB next year. Why would they? Cousins has shown he can handle the backup duties and Grossman was not active the entire season. Use the roster spot where it's needed.

Fletcher may retire, but Bruce Allen was quoted as saying.."He's got another three or four good years left in him."..if he doesn't retire, I can see us eating his contract for one more year.

As for the 3rd QB, i think RG3's injury has already nailed down that one to be honest,

[DogofWar1]

One of these 3 would be great. The one I like most and he MAY be available in the 3rd, I THINK definitely in the 2nd is Bailey. Check this post from KFFL.com from Draftinsider.net.
http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=2
NFL | Stedman Bailey drawing big-time comparison
Fri, 15 Feb 2013 20:01:09 -0800
West Virginia WR Stedman Bailey has reportedly stood out during combine training, and he could be the surprise receiver at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. He has drawn comparisons to Carolina Panthers WR Steve Smith.
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Oh definitely, I like all three of those guys too, they could come in and instantly be our slot guy, but the key problem is can we/should we/do we go WR with one of our first 2 picks, especially if we go light in FA? We need to address FS, RT, and CB, and while WR is still up there due to Moss being old and Morgan being in a contract year, can we overlook those positions in favor of more offensive weapons?

It's a tough choice, and I'm not arguing one way or another necessarily.

Bailey would be awesome to have. He has good hands and runs good routes and has solid body control. His speed is another plus, and he could be a dominant force in the slot in the NFL in a couple years. I'd love to do something like grab a safety in the 2nd and then use our 3rd and some other picks to trade up and snag Bailey.

[RWJ]

Oh definitely, I like all three of those guys too, they could come in and instantly be our slot guy, but the key problem is can we/should we/do we go WR with one of our first 2 picks, especially if we go light in FA? We need to address FS, RT, and CB, and while WR is still up there due to Moss being old and Morgan being in a contract year, can we overlook those positions in favor of more offensive weapons?

It's a tough choice, and I'm not arguing one way or another necessarily.

Bailey would be awesome to have. He has good hands and runs good routes and has solid body control. His speed is another plus, and he could be a dominant force in the slot in the NFL in a couple years. I'd love to do something like grab a safety in the 2nd and then use our 3rd and some other picks to trade up and snag Bailey.

One thing is for sure. Once FA plays itself out and IF we do pick up a couple of inexpensive players we will have a better ideal of who we select in the draft.

[NewCliche21]

Good analysis, he was not on my radar as someone that's even available. We need someone on the roster to fill as a third QB for this year at least. Maybe in 14 we could get away with two; but even then that's assuming Captain Kirk is still around - far from a certainty.

Sigh.

Cousins isn't going anywhere. I don't know why that's still a discussion.

[MrJL]

Sigh.

Cousins isn't going anywhere. I don't know why that's still a discussion.

he's not going anywhere this year. Before his third year, which is what 2014 is, he might. After all, we probably would like to get something for him, but trading him in his contract year might make people hesitant.

[HighOnHendrix]

Sigh.

Cousins isn't going anywhere. I don't know why that's still a discussion.

Obviously, he will be here this season but past that the temptation to trade him for picks might become too much for the FO to hold back on. If he fills in and does as well as last year, that temptation will only increase. I'm happy to have him but I won't be disappointed if we recoup picks by trading him. It's a win-win.

[KDawg]

I think people go overboard on the Cousins for picks stuff at this point. He might net is value in the future, however, this isn't hockey or baseball where a prospect is traded for a high end pick and a player after a single season. Furthermore, keeping your assets in football is much more important than it is in other sports due to a lack of developmental leagues.

[Travdaskin]

Obviously, he will be here this season but past that the temptation to trade him for picks might become too much for the FO to hold back on. If he fills in and does as well as last year, that temptation will only increase. I'm happy to have him but I won't be disappointed if we recoup picks by trading him. It's a win-win.

Until Griffin proves he can play a full season. I wouldn't trade him. Period.

[HighOnHendrix]

Until Griffin proves he can play a full season. I wouldn't trade him. Period.

I think that's exactly what you're going to see this year unless he isn't recovered for the season-opener. Then Cousins will have to start, obviously.

[RWJ]

Until Griffin proves he can play a full season. I wouldn't trade him. Period.

Totally agree. I don't think they have any intention to until maybe he gets close to the end of his contract and then that may not happen.