2013 FA Thread (Updates on OP) New: Merling, Brace, Pashos, Trueblood, EJBig, Tapp, White, Williams, MATTHEWS; Re-up: Rex, Hall, Davis, Paulsen, DY, RJax, Lich, Sundberg, Baker, Sav, Golston, Kehl, Polumbus; Paycuts: Carriker, Moss, BMeri, J. Wilson

[J-bomb]

"TKextremeskins: Skins have talked to D Hall's about restructuring. New deal should be done soon."
--http://twitter.com/TKextremeskins/status/305837595340992512

[DC9]

TK just tweeted skins talked to dhall about restructuring contract, new deal coming soon!


Also reports are saying done deal with alex smith(sanfran) an kc...

Nevermind, I found it, thanks.

EDIT: LOL, you are too fast brother.

According to Yahoo Sports, "those close" to Robert Griffin III believe the Redskins and others around Griffin are placing "undue pressure" on RG3 to "return too quickly" from his ACL and LCL tears.
They believe Griffin is at risk of reinjury. Redskins team Dr. James Andrews has publicly deemed RG3 "way ahead of schedule," and Griffin is starring in an Adidas ad campaign entitled "All in for Week 1." Said one source, "It's been like six weeks; what are we doing this for? He's not running yet. (Playing in Week 1) is ridiculous to talk about." Added another person close to Griffin, "I don't understand why we're talking about how close he is to playing or not right now. Let him just get better; there's a long way to go." It's an obvious fantasy situation to track.

[J-bomb]

Nevermind, I found it, thanks.

EDIT: LOL, you are too fast brother.

According to Yahoo Sports, "those close" to Robert Griffin III believe the Redskins and others around Griffin are placing "undue pressure" on RG3 to "return too quickly" from his ACL and LCL tears.
They believe Griffin is at risk of reinjury. Redskins team Dr. James Andrews has publicly deemed RG3 "way ahead of schedule," and Griffin is starring in an Adidas ad campaign entitled "All in for Week 1." Said one source, "It's been like six weeks; what are we doing this for? He's not running yet. (Playing in Week 1) is ridiculous to talk about." Added another person close to Griffin, "I don't understand why we're talking about how close he is to playing or not right now. Let him just get better; there's a long way to go." It's an obvious fantasy situation to track.

lol! anytime, I'm at work had to use my phone!

[skinny21]

The one thing that might work against Davis' numbers is how often receivers are used in this offense, which is to say we spread the ball around a lot and rely heavily on the run. If the offense is run similarly in the future, then projecting to a full season Davis would have likely gotten about 800 yards (injured after 1 quarter in week 7, so 25 quarters played, averaging about 4 receptions and 52 yards per game).

That being said, that's likely his floor when healthy, not his ceiling. Davis can rack up the yards if we feed it to him. The question, if we keep our current offense, is, how much is an 800 yard a year TE worth, if that's the expected production ceiling for the position.

Good points DOW (as always). I do like that even if he's not super productive given how the offense operates, he creates enough mismatches to free up other guys. He's also not as limited as some other guys on the FA/draft radar.

[DC9]

He's also not as limited as some other guys on the FA/draft radar.

Except the whole achilles injury thing right?

EDIT: Sorry... ACL right?

[DogofWar1]

Except the whole achilles injury thing right?

EDIT: Sorry... ACL right?

Achilles Tendon. As for healing, last I heard was that he was ahead of schedule, though that doesn't mean much until some moves start happening.

[DC9]

Achilles Tendon. As for healing, last I heard was that he was ahead of schedule, though that doesn't mean much until some moves start happening.

Yeah that was put out by his agent, it didn't come from the Redskins. I'm all about Freddy, he's a tragedy to triumph story and he's home grown. But the price has to be right.

[DogofWar1]

Yeah that was put out by his agent, it didn't come from the Redskins. I'm all about Freddy, he's a tragedy to triumph story and he's home grown. But the price has to be right.

Definitely, at the end of the day money matters, as much as it sometimes sucks.

Personally I really want him to succeed here, we need something good to have come out of that 2008 train/plane/cruise-ship disaster of a draft class (besides Rob "Hey Tony, I'm open" Jackson, of course).

EDIT: Holy crap, I knew we drafted bad under Vinny, but looking at actual names...seriously...the ****? We have only 6 guys left from all the guys we drafted from 2004-2009, Cooley, Doughty, Golston, Davis, Jackson, and Orakpo (RIP Sean). And Cooley and Golston are probably out this year too.

At least Cooley had a solid career here, but that low of a hit rate isn't even embarrassing, it's criminal.

[J-bomb]

looks like someone needs a team:
kellenwinslowjr:
"nfl: @nfl watch the tape! I'm healthy. I don't miss games. I'm a matchup nightmare and can't wait to come back. Who needs me I'm listening?"
--http://twitter.com/nfl/status/305870775938859008


if davis is not resigned id sign him for cheap, morris will keep him in check..Gotta think if we don't resign davis drafting a te is route we take.

[TK]

"TKextremeskins: Skins have talked to D Hall's about restructuring. New deal should be done soon."
--http://twitter.com/TKextremeskins/status/305837595340992512

Actually that should read that they've talked to his agent.

[TheLongshot]

Good points DOW (as always). I do like that even if he's not super productive given how the offense operates, he creates enough mismatches to free up other guys. He's also not as limited as some other guys on the FA/draft radar.

Remember, tho, that we spread the ball around because we really don't have many go-to receivers. Our best receiver (Garcon) had a bum foot most of the season. Also remember that the TE pretty much disappeared from the offense when Davis went out.

[skinny21]

Except the whole achilles injury thing right?

EDIT: Sorry... ACL right?

Absolutely. I also previously mentioned his potential for suspension. Those issues, coupled with a pricier contract (at least compared with a draft pick) mean he is a risk. Contract demands likely make him moderately high to high risk.

So, he's high risk/high reward. The high reward part is where I believe some undervalue him.

Back to his limitations... I did mean solely talent-wise having already mentioned his cons. I believe he is a more complete player than probably anyone we could land in FA or the draft. Whether he's worth the risk is an entirely different argument. If his demands are high, I assume we let him test the market (and likely lose him). I'm betting that many in the league do not undervalue him as some have suggested.

Definitely, at the end of the day money matters, as much as it sometimes sucks.

Personally I really want him to succeed here, we need something good to have come out of that 2008 train/plane/cruise-ship disaster of a draft class (besides Rob "Hey Tony, I'm open" Jackson, of course).

EDIT: Holy crap, I knew we drafted bad under Vinny, but looking at actual names...seriously...the ****? We have only 6 guys left from all the guys we drafted from 2004-2009, Cooley, Doughty, Golston, Davis, Jackson, and Orakpo (RIP Sean). And Cooley and Golston are probably out this year too.

At least Cooley had a solid career here, but that low of a hit rate isn't even embarrassing, it's criminal.

Abysmal. One of the bigger reasons why I cut Shanahan a lot of slack. Particularly deppressing after seeing the graphic in the playoffs of how many 1st rounders San Fran still had on the team.

Remember, tho, that we spread the ball around because we really don't have many go-to receivers. Our best receiver (Garcon) had a bum foot most of the season. Also remember that the TE pretty much disappeared from the offense when Davis went out.

This is true. I should not have said "given how the offense operates" because of that. I suppose I was parroting others, even though I wasn't entirely sold on that point for the exact reasons you mention. I hope that doesn't come across as... pompous, I'm tired.

[wit33]

Yeah that was put out by his agent, it didn't come from the Redskins. I'm all about Freddy, he's a tragedy to triumph story and he's home grown. But the price has to be right.

What in your opinion is the right price??

[LaxinFish29]

Nevermind, I found it, thanks.

EDIT: LOL, you are too fast brother.

According to Yahoo Sports, "those close" to Robert Griffin III believe the Redskins and others around Griffin are placing "undue pressure" on RG3 to "return too quickly" from his ACL and LCL tears.
They believe Griffin is at risk of reinjury. Redskins team Dr. James Andrews has publicly deemed RG3 "way ahead of schedule," and Griffin is starring in an Adidas ad campaign entitled "All in for Week 1." Said one source, "It's been like six weeks; what are we doing this for? He's not running yet. (Playing in Week 1) is ridiculous to talk about." Added another person close to Griffin, "I don't understand why we're talking about how close he is to playing or not right now. Let him just get better; there's a long way to go." It's an obvious fantasy situation to track.

So you have a Dr. who wants to attract more big name clients and a clothin company who wants to sell more merchandise and somehow the "Redskins" are rushing him back. Yeah, ok.

[LaxinFish29]

Also, hadn't said it yet but this is by far my favorite thread every year and just wanted to say thanks and I really appreciate all the work you, DC9, and the other ES'ers put in to it.