2013 FA Thread (Updates on OP) New: Merling, Brace, Pashos, Trueblood, EJBig, Tapp, White, Williams, MATTHEWS; Re-up: Rex, Hall, Davis, Paulsen, DY, RJax, Lich, Sundberg, Baker, Sav, Golston, Kehl, Polumbus; Paycuts: Carriker, Moss, BMeri, J. Wilson

[pjfootballer]

I was wondering (not panicking) why we haven't heard any restructures from the Redskins like we have other teams? I know there is 11 days until free agency and when we have to be under the cap, but is it because they are going to wait to hear if we get some of our cap back?

Also, I think it's time for Fletcher to retire. I wasn't impressed with his play last year. I know he was injured and he did create some turnovers, but we need the salary space and to continue with the youth movement. I appreciate all he's done, but I'm ok with him not being on the team this year. I was actaully ok with it last year, before he re-signed.

[MartinC]

If you save $5.5 million from London's retirement, I don't think you'll be paying Jackson and Zo that much. Rob Jackson's tender is just $2 million ... I would imagine the team would ink him to a longer-term deal that would be lower than the tender .... but let's go with $2 million. Also, Lorenzo can't be asking for too much ... but if you get him to sign off on a 2-3 year deal you can probably get him in at around $1.5 million. You'd still have $2 mill. left over to go elsewhere.

Dont forget we are currently a couple of million over the cap so part of any saving from London would go towards that.

[JamesMadisonSkins]

Dont forget we are currently a couple of million over the cap so part of any saving from London would go towards that.

Ok ... you can look at it that way too. But we are $1 million over the cap (which is the number I've seen most since the cap went to $123.9m). If you think we are going to have Hall on this roster making $8 million you're crazy. I want Hall back .. but you could release him ... and just him and London retiring gets you $12 million under ...

You could extend him and get his number down to $5 million and save $4 mill.

London/Carriker/Hall = $17 million freed up. Add in a restructured Moss and you're at $20 million.

[RWJ]

If you save $5.5 million from London's retirement, I don't think you'll be paying Jackson and Zo that much. Rob Jackson's tender is just $2 million ... I would imagine the team would ink him to a longer-term deal that would be lower than the tender .... but let's go with $2 million. Also, Lorenzo can't be asking for too much ... but if you get him to sign off on a 2-3 year deal you can probably get him in at around $1.5 million. You'd still have $2 mill. left over to go elsewhere.

We are still $15.5 mil over the cap. If you take into account our cap penalty of $18 mil and already being over the cap by roughly $3 mil and subtracting the $5.5 mil we were to owe Fletcher. Alot of restructures/cuts are going to have to take place, I believe.

[JamesMadisonSkins]

We are still $15.5 mil over the cap. If you take into account our cap penalty of $18 mil and already being over the cap by roughly $3 mil and subtracting the $5.5 mil we were to owe Fletcher. Alot of restructures/cuts are going to have to take place, I believe.

I think you're going off of the numbers that were being state before the cap went from $120.9 to $123.9 ... so I'm pretty sure the Skins are currently just $1m over the cap...

I'm not saying cuts won't need to be made ... but simple math here ...

Currently +$1m
Fletcher retire = $5.5m
Hall extension = $4m (from $9m to $5m)
Moss extension = $3m (from $6m to $3m)
Carriker release = $4m

That puts us at -$15.5m ...

Then you can extend Josh Wilson (it's his contract year). You can extend Orakpo.
Wilson = $2m (get his number from $5.5 to $3.5)
Orakpo = $1m

Now you're at -$18.5m

It can be done ... and quite easily.

[RWJ]

I think you're going off of the numbers that were being state before the cap went from $120.9 to $123.9 ... so I'm pretty sure the Skins are currently just $1m over the cap...

Possibly so. We may need to add in the future contracts we have signed other players for. I don't know if they have been taking into account. Anway you slice it we have ALOT of reworking to do. I can only hope we can sign our key guys and can somehow fit in Toler/Lynch to contracts.

[KDawg]

I love London, BUT if you can resign Lorenzo AND Rob Jackson for the same price as London, then I am sorry but I think I would have to take those 2 over London at this point. I am also interested to see if Rob Jackson could play some ILB too

Jackson, sure. But I'd rather find an ILB in FA to replace Zo. It really could just be me. *shrug*

He is a backup - apart from his important role on special teams his main value to us his ability to backup all 4 linebacker spots. So he should be paid as a backup. If he can find another team to pay him starter money good luck to him and I genuinely wish him well but I cant see us paying him like that.

He is a back up. And I don't know the exact parameters, but with him saying he'd only take a slight hometown discount to stay with the 'Skins, that screams to me that he's looking for more than he's worth. But I should reserve judgment until more details come out as far as that goes.

[skinsarel33t]

I dont remember which one of you brought it up but at this point the money saved from getting rid of Fletch would go a long ways in keeping Zo and Jackson. Its a tough decision but that is what needs to be done.

[GoSkins0721]

I think you're going off of the numbers that were being state before the cap went from $120.9 to $123.9 ... so I'm pretty sure the Skins are currently just $1m over the cap...

I'm not saying cuts won't need to be made ... but simple math here ...

Currently +$1m
Fletcher retire = $5.5m
Hall extension = $4m (from $9m to $5m)
Moss extension = $3m (from $6m to $3m)
Carriker release = $4m

That puts us at -$15.5m ...

Then you can extend Josh Wilson (it's his contract year). You can extend Orakpo.
Wilson = $2m (get his number from $5.5 to $3.5)
Orakpo = $1m

Now you're at -$18.5m

It can be done ... and quite easily.

But doesn't that get the team $0.5M under the cap since there is an $18M penalty to be absorbed?
In other words, if the league cap is $123.9M the Skins cap is actually $105.9M. I guess I'm getting confused about the numbers people are tossing around here.

[JamesMadisonSkins]

But doesn't that get the team $0.5M under the cap since there is an $18M penalty to be absorbed?
In other words, if the league cap is $123.9M the Skins cap is actually $105.9M. I guess I'm getting confused about the numbers people are tossing around here.

When everyone says we are $1 million OVER the cap it is in reference to the $105.9 cap that has already been imposed. So, we are currently at $106.9 million in payroll ... not $124.9 ... that would be devastating haha

So, if we were to get our $18 million back ... we'd actually be $17 million UNDER. And if Fletch retired, Hall gets reduced, Moss, etc. you could get to as much as $32 mill under.

The roster is in good shape for a normal year. The only reason we are absorbing this hit is because of the $18m penalty.

[SemperFi Skins]

If the Cowboys, who were $20 million OVER the cap, can restructure 4 guys like they did yesterday and already be under the cap... we should be in great shape considering we're only $4 million over as it stands.

[Skinsinparadise]

D'Angelo Hall would beg to differ. But he gets ripped for being too "fiery" or fiery at all the wrong times.

I mentioned Hall on the thread about Fletcher, and yeah agree. I just think that the MLB who arguably is the QB of the defense is in better position to corral the troops. Fred Smoot was a fiery guy too but didn't get the sense he was the leader of the defense.

[Momma There Goes That Man]

But doesn't that get the team $0.5M under the cap since there is an $18M penalty to be absorbed?
In other words, if the league cap is $123.9M the Skins cap is actually $105.9M. I guess I'm getting confused about the numbers people are tossing around here.

No because that is already accounted for. All the talk of us being $4million over is in reference to the ~$105 million cap we have to hit not the $123.9 million cap every other team gets.

If we were to free up that money like JMS suggests and then got some cap relief from the penalty...look out.

[JamesMadisonSkins]

If the Cowboys, who were $20 million OVER the cap, can restructure 4 guys like they did yesterday and already be under the cap... we should be in great shape considering we're only $4 million over as it stands.

Again, $1m ... or $1.98m ... depending on who you're listening to. The $3 million bump in the cap that came out last night is a huge help.

Dallas also screwed themselves up pretty badly for the next few years though. Also, the Redskins, because of this cap penalty, have a lot of deals that can't really be restructured. Believe it or not, there aren't a lot of "bad contracts" on this team that could be re-worked in the same way Dallas did. Different ways to handle the cap, I suppose, but Dallas is pushing all of theirs back ... and setting themselves up poorly down the road, whereas the Skins haven't signed any contracts that would be bad enough to re-work like that.

[MartinC]

Possibly so. We may need to add in the future contracts we have signed other players for. I don't know if they have been taking into account. Anway you slice it we have ALOT of reworking to do. I can only hope we can sign our key guys and can somehow fit in Toler/Lynch to contracts.

Only the top 51 contracts count towards your cap number during the offseason. We are just over $1M over right now and that includes the cap penalty.

We can get under the cap pretty easily but we are going to have to get creative to get under enough to sign our own priority free agents, be active in the wider free agent market and have enough space for our rookie pool. Its all very doable though without putting ourselves on the hook for future dead cap hell.

---------- Post added March-1st-2013 at 09:32 AM ----------

Currently +$1m
Fletcher retire = $5.5m
Hall extension = $4m (from $9m to $5m)
Moss extension = $3m (from $6m to $3m)
Carriker release = $4m

That puts us at -$15.5m ...

Then you can extend Josh Wilson (it's his contract year). You can extend Orakpo.
Wilson = $2m (get his number from $5.5 to $3.5)
Orakpo = $1m .

I dont think we will be extending Hall and Moss - we will be asking them to take an actual pay cut in a restructure and not adding any extra years. Orakpo and Wilson are good candidates for extensions.