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    Default Re: The Ultimate 2013 Washington Redskins Free Agency Database: Top Targets, Rumors, Signings, Coaching News (Hilliard out as WR coach), and Cap Space Tracker. OP will be updated. Signed: Futures list on OP; DE Phillip Merling signed!

    Feel like Morgan is more than worth his money this year as he will be healthy and better from game one of the season.Nobody blocks like Morgan!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DC9 View Post
    Don't forget, it's not always that the young kids are doing poorly. Moss is still a good football player. Leading the team in TD catches proved that.
    True, I think I didn't explain myself well. I don't expect him to take Moss' job from him, just that I haven't seen many praising him, or giving him much of a chance (to take over for Moss for example). I like the kid, just curious what his limitations were perceived to be. My assumption is it's the route running (it sure ain't the speed). I would think crossing routes would work well with his speed, unless maybe he's too soft/small over the middle.

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    The problem with dumping Morgan is that the penalty for dumping him would still be too high to really work with. Cutting him wouldn't save much money.
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    Default Re: The Ultimate 2013 Washington Redskins Free Agency Database: Top Targets, Rumors, Signings, Coaching News (Hilliard out as WR coach), and Cap Space Tracker. OP will be updated. Signed: Futures list on OP; DE Phillip Merling signed!

    Quote Originally Posted by RWJ View Post
    Per Rotoworld on Josh Morgan:

    http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4919/josh-morgan

    3/13/2012: Signed a two-year, $11.5 million contract. The deal contains $7.3 million guaranteed, including a $5.5 million signing bonus and Morgan's 2012 base salary. An annual $200,000 workout bonus is available in both years. 2013: $3.8 million, 2014: Free Agent


    The perfect type of player to restructure and extend now and save some $$ on this years cap.


    I would think the 3.8 million could be better served on a S or CB signing in FA.

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    Default Re: The Ultimate 2013 Washington Redskins Free Agency Database: Top Targets, Rumors, Signings, Coaching News (Hilliard out as WR coach), and Cap Space Tracker. OP will be updated. Signed: Futures list on OP; DE Phillip Merling signed!

    Im good with giving Morgan $3.8...he's gonna want to prove himself for a big payday in '14. I expect a big season from him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinny21 View Post
    True, I think I didn't explain myself well. I don't expect him to take Moss' job from him, just that I haven't seen many praising him, or giving him much of a chance (to take over for Moss for example). I like the kid, just curious what his limitations were perceived to be. My assumption is it's the route running (it sure ain't the speed). I would think crossing routes would work well with his speed, unless maybe he's too soft/small over the middle.
    Kyle praises him all of the time. But if you think about it, unless Moss is out, there really isn't a good spot to put him with another 5'10" Wideout on the field. Maybe a 4 WR spread formation where he and Moss are both in the slot, but Kyle seems happy with him and Kyle is the WR guru of the coaching staff so I'd expect Alrick to be used quite a bit when the time does come.

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    1) He was hand picked by Kyle
    2) We cut Ryan Torain last year (2011) to move Aldrick up to the 53 from the practice squad when someone else tried to take him from us
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjinhan View Post
    You have to give Morgan credit that he was coming off an injury. I agree with you that he was alright but probably not worth the money we gave him. But due to his injury, I would like to see what he can bring to the table next year when he should be completely healthy.
    You comment about him being "all right" though could arguably be used to paint his whole career. His stats this year are similar to his other years. Am not saying he's a bad signing when I look at it in a vacuum but looking it in in the context of the cap penalty -- their money might have been better served elsewhere. He is a good blocker and helps the run game -- that seems to be his biggest niche and perhaps he's an underrated part of the success of the run game -- Garcon is a beast of a blocker, too.

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    Default Re: The Ultimate 2013 Washington Redskins Free Agency Database: Top Targets, Rumors, Signings, Coaching News (Hilliard out as WR coach), and Cap Space Tracker. OP will be updated. Signed: Futures list on OP; DE Phillip Merling signed!

    While one can debate the wisdom of the Morgan signing in the first place, it would make little sense at this point to cut him. We still owe him money, something like 2.3M I think, so we wouldn't be saving all that much, maybe a couple million. The only way it would make sense is if we believed we could get a better receiver than Morgan with the difference between what he's guaranteed and what he would be paid if we kept him. Considering that that number is fairly small, a couple million maybe, it is very doubtful.

    The places where the money comes from this offseason is mainly 4 players, Hall, Fletcher, Moss, and Brown. What we do with their contracts will determine how much cap room we ultimately have, and we should remember that Fletcher and Brown still have some guaranteed money left on their contracts.
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    Default Re: The Ultimate 2013 Washington Redskins Free Agency Database: Top Targets, Rumors, Signings, Coaching News (Hilliard out as WR coach), and Cap Space Tracker. OP will be updated. Signed: Futures list on OP; DE Phillip Merling signed!

    Quote Originally Posted by Skinsinparadise View Post
    Am a bit of a media junkie with the team, I try to read everything and watch as many interviews as possible, it could be I missed it but of the things I've caught -- I've never encountered anything praising Hankerson's work ethic (did catch one critique of it which I mentioned) or how tough he is, or poised for greatness. I've heard Shanny praise Moss, Garcon, and Morgan.

    I don't really have any problems with the things you are saying, but wanted to point out that the vets get the praise for setting the bar for work standards. While the younger guys may just get that behind the seen. You know some times the way to motivate one guy is different from another. I believe Hank can develop into a number 2 long term. I think his coming back from the surgery to have a decent year is evidence enough of his work ethic, our players in the past (2 unnamed oft injured WR's) never seemed to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DogofWar1 View Post
    The places where the money comes from this offseason is mainly 4 players, Hall, Fletcher, Moss, and Brown. What we do with their contracts will determine how much cap room we ultimately have, and we should remember that Fletcher and Brown still have some guaranteed money left on their contracts.
    http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/1/26/3...ff-season-plan

    Current situation: As it stands, with all our soon-to-be free agents off the books, the Redskins are $4 million over the projected 2013 salary cap.



    Cuts:

    Meriweather

    Brown

    Moss

    Projected Savings - $12 million



    Restructuring:

    Hall

    T Williams

    Projected Savings - $6 million



    Retiring:

    Fletcher(I still think this will happen)

    Projected Savings - $6 million



    Total Cap Room (adding the $4 million we are over): $20 million



    Redskins free agents who re-sign:

    Golston

    Jackson

    Alexander

    Total spent - $5 million



    Redskins un-restricted free agents who we tender:

    Baker

    Paulsen

    Total spent - $2 million



    Total left for free agents and draft picks: $13 million



    Free Agent Signings:

    Sebastian Vollmer - OT(Patriots) $4.5 million/year

    Kenny Phillips - S(Giants) $3 million/year

    Sergio Kindle - LB(FA) $500k/year

    Total - $8 million



    Money left to sign draft picks and un-drafted free agents: $5 million



    NFL Draft:

    2nd - Phillip Thomas: FS Fresno State 6' 1" 210

    3rd - Blidi Wreh-Wilson: CB UConn 6' 1" 192

    4th - Denard Robinson: WR Michigan 5' 11" 197 OR Tyrann Mathieu: CB LSU 5' 9" 178

    5th - Kwame Geathers: DT/NT Georgia 6' 5" 350

    5th - Michael Williams: TE Alabama 6' 6" 269

    6th - Bruce Taylor: LB VT 6' 1" 235

    7th - Marcus Davis: WR VT 6' 3" 230

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    Default Re: The Ultimate 2013 Washington Redskins Free Agency Database: Top Targets, Rumors, Signings, Coaching News (Hilliard out as WR coach), and Cap Space Tracker. OP will be updated. Signed: Futures list on OP; DE Phillip Merling signed!

    SI's Peter King believes Romeo Crennel is the favorite to become the Saints' defensive coordinator.
    After Sean Payton fired Steve Spagnuolo on Thursday, there was a barrage of information on Friday how the Saints were interested in Crennel and another former Patriot in Eric Mangini. Over the weekend, though, things went quiet. We should learn more this week on which direction the Saints are leaning.
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    Default Re: The Ultimate 2013 Washington Redskins Free Agency Database: Top Targets, Rumors, Signings, Coaching News (Hilliard out as WR coach), and Cap Space Tracker. OP will be updated. Signed: Futures list on OP; DE Phillip Merling signed!

    Quote Originally Posted by Skinsinparadise View Post
    http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/1/26/3...ff-season-plan

    Current situation: As it stands, with all our soon-to-be free agents off the books, the Redskins are $4 million over the projected 2013 salary cap.



    Cuts:

    Meriweather

    Brown

    Moss

    Projected Savings - $12 million



    Restructuring:

    Hall

    T Williams

    Projected Savings - $6 million



    Retiring:

    Fletcher(I still think this will happen)

    Projected Savings - $6 million



    Total Cap Room (adding the $4 million we are over): $20 million



    Redskins free agents who re-sign:

    Golston

    Jackson

    Alexander

    Total spent - $5 million



    Redskins un-restricted free agents who we tender:

    Baker

    Paulsen

    Total spent - $2 million



    Total left for free agents and draft picks: $13 million



    Free Agent Signings:

    Sebastian Vollmer - OT(Patriots) $4.5 million/year

    Kenny Phillips - S(Giants) $3 million/year

    Sergio Kindle - LB(FA) $500k/year

    Total - $8 million



    Money left to sign draft picks and un-drafted free agents: $5 million



    NFL Draft:

    2nd - Phillip Thomas: FS Fresno State 6' 1" 210

    3rd - Blidi Wreh-Wilson: CB UConn 6' 1" 192

    4th - Denard Robinson: WR Michigan 5' 11" 197 OR Tyrann Mathieu: CB LSU 5' 9" 178

    5th - Kwame Geathers: DT/NT Georgia 6' 5" 350

    5th - Michael Williams: TE Alabama 6' 6" 269

    6th - Bruce Taylor: LB VT 6' 1" 235

    7th - Marcus Davis: WR VT 6' 3" 230
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    Default Re: The Ultimate 2013 Washington Redskins Free Agency Database: Top Targets, Rumors, Signings, Coaching News (Hilliard out as WR coach), and Cap Space Tracker. OP will be updated. Signed: Futures list on OP; DE Phillip Merling signed!

    Quote Originally Posted by Skinsinparadise View Post
    Free Agent Signings:

    Sebastian Vollmer - OT(Patriots) $4.5 million/year
    Kenny Phillips - S(Giants) $3 million/year
    Sergio Kindle - LB(FA) $500k/year

    Total - $8 million
    I wouldn't be dissapointed or upset with those cuts, I love Tana, but I ***** about guys with emotional attachments to players all of the time on here, lol. And I wouldn't be upset with these three signings, but we almost have to get at least on CB in FA that could come in here and compete for a starting job. I know Safety is the biggest need, but man... we really need ONE consistent CB.

    Also, I love the mock.

    EDIT: And Orakpo, Jackson, Kindle, and So'oto will vastly improve the pass rush and play making ability in the LB core, IMO. That's a lot of speed.
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    Default Re: The Ultimate 2013 Washington Redskins Free Agency Database: Top Targets, Rumors, Signings, Coaching News (Hilliard out as WR coach), and Cap Space Tracker. OP will be updated. Signed: Futures list on OP; DE Phillip Merling signed!

    http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/1/26/3...ff-season-plan

    I think that is a realistic possibility for this offseason.

    But...
    I hope and we need for Fletcher to play. So there is an 6 mil they need to factor in agaist the cap.
    I think we should re-sign Fred Davis too.
    I think Rob Jackson is gonna be more expensive then they figure.
    I don't see why Trent would restructure.
    I wouldn't choose Kenny Phillips or Kindle as FA prospects.
    Also, Vollmer's injury worry me and I think he'll cost will be more then 4.5 mil/per.

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    I don't think Kindle will be able to show anything, IMO... The dude had a fractured skull and hearing loss.

    Also, Sebastian Vollmer will likely command closer to $9 milion/ year as Jake Long is reportedly asking for at least $10 million/ year. The franchise tag for OT's is around $9.5 mil for the year.

    I could see the Kenny Phillips signing. His durability scares me though.
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