2013 FA Thread (Updates on OP) New: Merling, Brace, Pashos, Trueblood, EJBig, Tapp, White, Williams, MATTHEWS; Re-up: Rex, Hall, Davis, Paulsen, DY, RJax, Lich, Sundberg, Baker, Sav, Golston, Kehl, Polumbus; Paycuts: Carriker, Moss, BMeri, J. Wilson

[amm0409]

Lacey is projected in the second. I'm assuming he will go early second, but its interesting to think about two big backs with Morris and Lacey.

I don't think we will pick RB in the 2nd but I'm just thinking

[DC9]

Lacey is projected in the second. I'm assuming he will go early second, but its interesting to think about two big backs with Morris and Lacey.

I don't think we will pick RB in the 2nd but I'm just thinking

I know everyone is high on Trent Richardson, but I saw nothing special from him when we played the Browns. Same with Mark Ingram... Alabama running backs are becoming the USC quarterbacks of the 2010s. It's easy to look impressive when you have a suffocating defense on one side of the ball and a couple of All-American linemen.

I think we are more than set at Running Back unless you want to go with a scat/speed back.

[doghouse4x4]

Lacey is projected in the second. I'm assuming he will go early second, but its interesting to think about two big backs with Morris and Lacey.

I don't think we will pick RB in the 2nd but I'm just thinking

I know everyone is high on Trent Richardson, but I saw nothing special from him when we played the Browns. Same with Mark Ingram... Alabama running backs are becoming the USC quarterbacks of the 2010s. It's easy to look impressive when you have a suffocating defense on one side of the ball and a couple of All-American linemen.

I think we are more than set at Running Back unless you want to go with a scat/speed back.

Firstly, I agree we are set at RB other than a scat back.

But as someone who has watched every snap of Alabama for the past eon, there are some things to note. First, Trent is going to be absurdly good in the NFL. He was hurt the whole year, and the Browns suck. What he will do going forward will rival AP. Ingram or Lacy on either side are not nearly as good. Lacy looks the part, but is not as strong or fast. He is also not very fluid or shifty. The spin move is his best thing. That said, he will develop to a decent NFL RB I think, but more like a 3rd round pick. Ingram is going to end up ok too. The second half of this year accentuated his strengths and his production went way up because of it. I don't know that he will ever be fully utilized properly in the Saints scheme, but you never know. He needs to be run like Emmitt Smith, they are basically clones.

The Bama back to watch in the next couple years is TJ Yeldon, who has some of the quickest feet I have ever seen, and is deceptively strong.

[DogofWar1]

The only bonus I am aware of is his workout bonus which kicks in on either 1 March or 1 April and I believe it's $150k or $200k. The contract has to be restructured before that bonus kicks in or we are stuck with either cutting him or paying him his base salary for the year. He may have more bonuses, but I am not sure they add up to $3 mil, could be wrong though.
The rest looks perfect and I'd agree with all.

Rotoworld has base salary, but then I looked at Sportrac and they have this 3.5M "miscellaneous" bonus thing on top of base salary.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/cap-hit/

That's the one thing that concerns me more than anything if that's actually real. That takes his cap hit from 7.5M to 11M, which is basically from high to absurd. I don't know what that bonus is, they list it as an option bonus.

[DC9]

Rotoworld has base salary, but then I looked at Sportrac and they have this 3.5M "miscellaneous" bonus thing on top of base salary.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/cap-hit/

That's the one thing that concerns me more than anything if that's actually real. That takes his cap hit from 7.5M to 11M, which is basically from high to absurd. I don't know what that bonus is, they list it as an option bonus.

Nice pull. Yep, that's definitely something that may need to be taken care of. I don't think anyone picks him up from a waiver wire transaction... maybe he'll be open to talking after that. In all seriousness, he's our best CB, but he is not worth that money at all. Hopefully he sees things that way. If he balls out next year, he'll likely be duely rewarded for it in 2014 when we get money back.

[DogofWar1]

And now the FAWRs:


I'm on the fence concerning adding a WR, I really am.
On the one hand another very solid WR could really put our offense over the top, and provide insurance. When Garcon went out, our WRs struggled mightily, and once Davis went out too we floundered terribly. Adding a #1 like Bowe or Wallace would be costly, but pretty much make our WR one of the best in the league.
Alternatively, if we added a slot guy, that could be good too, Moss is aging, and I don't know what Robinson ultimately will be.

The flip-side is that Garcon and Morgan are good and fairly young, Davis is coming back, and that even with Moss aging Hankerson and Robinson might end up solid. Throwing a bunch of money at a guy might slow help in other areas, and might not drastically improve the corp if Hank and Robinson keep developing. If we do go after someone, I think a slot guy is a tad more important than an outside guy.

Looking at the list, Bowe and Wallace are sure things. I'm a little wary of Jennings and Welker.

Beyond those 4, Amendola, Hartline, Collie, Gibson, and Knox are guys I feel like might really be worth looking into. Knox, Collie, and Amendola had some injury problems, but both are potentially dangerous young players when healthy. Hartline and Gibson strike me as solid but unspectacular guys worth a look at the right price.

I'm definitely pretty high on Knox, before his injury this year he looked like a pretty dangerous young receiver, and if he gets healthy could definitely do some damage with a team. If he comes loose I definitely want to take a good hard look at him. Also, he did kickoffs in CHI, so that would kill two birds with one stone.

By the way, the "*" next to Welker's Pct is due to ESPN not keeping track of targets until 2005, his first year was 2004. His Pct is probably a little lower than .75.

[Vilandil Tasardur]

I definitely wouldn't toss a penny at a WR unless it was to resign Morgan. Am I right in thinking that he signed a 1 year deal as a FA and is therefore a FA again? If this is the case then he is the only WR I would consider paying this offseason. Sure, adding some of the big names would make us the best receiving core in the NFL. What would that lead to? We have real holes on defense that have to be shored up. And objectively speaking, even WITH negotiating Moss and Hall down, do we really have the money for 2-3 guys?

I think we'll be damn lucky to sign one big guy and one middle of the pack guy. And I think that has to be in the defensive backfield, perhaps both of them actually. I like our receiving group and I even like our OLine (gasp!). They're not great but they definitely are better then over paying for someone who will come in, take a year to really gel and fit in, play at a high level for 2 more, and then start to tail off, all while making 8+ mil a year.

[lifeisgr8]

I personally think that Tim Tebow would be a great asset for our team. His college offense was predicated around the pistol offense. If we could have had him as a backup in the Seattle game the defense would have had to play honest.I think Kurt Cousinsis a good quarterback but when your offense especially the offensive line is used to a mobile qb in the middle of a game it's hard adjust. don't get me wrong I'm not at all saying Tim Tebow is a better passer or a better runner then either of the quarterbacks we have. All I'm saying is he's a better relief to step in and help finish a game.

[maskedsuperstar]

Yes. He controls the LOS and does a good job of getting to the second level. The old thought process of "smaller, quicker" linemen being necessary to fit the ZBS is false. Quite simply, you need a guy who can control a man on the LOS, usually using angles, and a guy who can seamlessly get to the second level. Andre Smith can do both. He fits.

If you want to ask if his price tag justifies the fit he has, that's a whole new ballgame

cool

[2cents]

I personally think that Tim Tebow would be a great asset for our team. His college offense was predicated around the pistol offense. If we could have had him as a backup in the Seattle game the defense would have had to play honest.I think Kurt Cousinsis a good quarterback but when your offense especially the offensive line is used to a mobile qb in the middle of a game it's hard adjust. don't get me wrong I'm not at all saying Tim Tebow is a better passer or a better runner then either of the quarterbacks we have. All I'm saying is he's a better relief to step in and help finish a game.

Thanks, but no. Just....no.

[maskedsuperstar]

I personally think that Tim Tebow would be a great asset for our team. His college offense was predicated around the pistol offense. If we could have had him as a backup in the Seattle game the defense would have had to play honest.I think Kurt Cousinsis a good quarterback but when your offense especially the offensive line is used to a mobile qb in the middle of a game it's hard adjust. don't get me wrong I'm not at all saying Tim Tebow is a better passer or a better runner then either of the quarterbacks we have. All I'm saying is he's a better relief to step in and help finish a game.

You can't be serious!

[lifeisgr8]

Thanks, but no. Just....no.

Why?
I've had two ppl say no and act like im crazy but no reasoning behind it...
it's not as character because all in all is a good person and a team player. It's not his game play because he actually plays the game decently for what you're asking him to do. So why not?

[MrJL]

Why?
I've had two ppl say no and act like im crazy but no reasoning behind it...
it's not as character because all in all is a good person and a team player. It's not his game play because he actually plays the game decently for what you're asking him to do. So why not?

he can't throw the ball, and he's only a team player if the team is doing what he wants.

[DogofWar1]

Why?
I've had two ppl say no and act like im crazy but no reasoning behind it...
it's not as character because all in all is a good person and a team player. It's not his game play because he actually plays the game decently for what you're asking him to do. So why not?

He doesn't play the game decently though is the problem. He's nowhere near the passer RGIII is, nor is he remotely close to being the athlete RGIII is. Our offense is dangerous because you have to account for:
A) Morris wrecking balling his way 10 yards down the field
B) RGIII taking off with 4.3 speed
C) RGIII being able to throw it anywhere on the field on a wire

With Tebow there, defenses need only worry about A. Tebow has 4.7 speed, which is good for a QB, but slow for a QB in the type of offense we're trying to run. Also his throws are very poor, so C goes out the window.

We'd be much better off just conceding B if RGIII goes down and running a traditional offense behind Cousins.

If we really want a QB who can run the offense RGIII does, we should just draft Nick Florence late. He's a better passer than Tebow IMO, and runs something like a 4.6, so faster than Tebow.

[2cents]

Why?
I've had two ppl say no and act like im crazy but no reasoning behind it...
it's not as character because all in all is a good person and a team player. It's not his game play because he actually plays the game decently for what you're asking him to do. So why not?

He is a horrible passer. Just horrible. I watched his 2-20something game against the Chiefs last year and he had absolutely NO idea where the ball was going when it left his hand. None whatsoever. Given how well the team played with Cousins in there, there is no reason to make a move such as this.