Did we all forget the Raven's game?? Stop blaming Shanahan for the injury

[GoDeep81]

In both games he was visibly injured, and in both apparently told Shanahan "Im fine coach".. In the Ravens game he lasted 4 plays, then fell in a heap and couldn't get up.. IMO, that's the lesson Shanahan should of learned from "Im fine coach".. And the notion that had we won the game nobody would care? I disagree.. I'd be very surprised if any poll taken would put winning that game anywhere near RGIII's future health.. (Please, no polls on the subject though.. As has been stated, it's happened.. All we can do now is deal with it and move forward) Pray the team, the coach and RGIII get through this and come out smarter/stronger because of it..

[jpoer]

Tony Reali said it best yesterday on ESPN's Around The Horn: "If Shanahan pulls Griffin out in the 2nd Quarter and brings in Cousins, and IF the Redskins STILL go on to lose the game... EVERYONE would be saying that Shanahan pulled the trigger on RGIII too soon."

I had the Redskins going 7-9 or 8-8 this year, this season is one that I will never forget!!! NOBODY had us winning the NFC East... BUT I do have to say that the way the game ended and the way we went up 14-0 and just imploded is what really hurt...

HTTR!!! Always and FORVER!!!

---------- Post added January-8th-2013 at 04:56 PM ----------

Tony Reali said it best yesterday on ESPN's Around The Horn: "After being up 14-0, if Shanahan replaces Griffin with Cousins in the 2nd Quarter and IF the Redskins STILL go on to lose the game.... EVERYONE would be saying that Shanahan pulled the trigger on RGIII way too soon."

I think we were damned either way... It's a Catch 22

2013 HTTR!!!

[NoCalMike]

Why are people comparing RGIII in the Eagles/Dallas game to RGIII in the Seahawks game?

RGIII was playing FINE, until he re-aggravated his injury after the team went up 14-0.

The RGIII that STARTED the Seahawks game was not the same RGIII that was playing out there after the hit on the sideline that aggravated his injury.

RGIII has probably played for the last month around 70%,and started the Seahawks game at 70%, but after the hit on the sideline, his passing ability became just as effected as his mobility and we were probably looking at RGIII at 20%.

This comparison is really apples & oranges.

[Rocky52Mc]

Anytime RG3 has played since the Ravens game he plays with a noticeable limp. What does that tell you:

A) He's semi over dramatic
B) He limps to avoid some discomfort
C) The coach wants him to play under duress
D) The players like to play under duress
E) The brace on his knee prevents him from moving fluidly

Or all the ****ing above in some sort of mathematical percentage.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Tony Reali said it best yesterday on ESPN's Around The Horn: "If Shanahan pulls Griffin out in the 2nd Quarter and brings in Cousins, and IF the Redskins STILL go on to lose the game... EVERYONE would be saying that Shanahan pulled the trigger on RGIII too soon." .....

Reali's right of course in so much as that's the way reactionary fans are. But anyone that would of castigated Shanahan for pulling him when it was even clear to everyone, the HC himself included by his own admission he wasn't anything like the RGIII we've come to know and fall so head over heals in love with would of been a complete, boneheaded buffoon.

When injury is so clearly holding a guy and your team back, how could you straight faced criticize the HC for pulling him? No matter the final outcome or the stature of the player pulled?

Hail.

[KDawg]

Tony Reali said it best yesterday on ESPN's Around The Horn: "If Shanahan pulls Griffin out in the 2nd Quarter and brings in Cousins, and IF the Redskins STILL go on to lose the game... EVERYONE would be saying that Shanahan pulled the trigger on RGIII too soon."

Perhaps. But I'll play the if game with Reali... "IF the Redskins pull RG3 and they win, everyone is singing the praises of Shanahan for making the change"

HTTR!!! Always and FORVER!!!

Absolutely! HTTR!

Why are people comparing RGIII in the Eagles/Dallas game to RGIII in the Seahawks game?

RGIII was playing FINE, until he re-aggravated his injury after the team went up 14-0.

The RGIII that STARTED the Seahawks game was not the same RGIII that was playing out there after the hit on the sideline that aggravated his injury.

Thank you. I agree with you 100%.

[Special K]

I had to make an account because so many people seem intent on blaming Shanahan for RG3's injury but many on this forum seems to have forgotten the Raven's game and how RG3's injury was dealt with.

Watch the Redskins-Ravens post game conference again starting at 2:40
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201212...ghts&tab=recap

Quotes from Griffin during the post game

''I knew I needed to get out at that point,''
''I couldn't move. At some point you have to do what's right for the team. And if I'm playing the rest of that game, I probably would have hurt myself even more.''

Your Shanahan and knowing your QB was smart enough to take HIMSELF out of the Raven's game for the sake of the team when they was behind (they needed the win to stay in the playoff hunt) you have to trust your QB in the playoff when the team is ahead and he tells you he can play. Like Shanahan said in the Seahawks post game he's learning how stubborn RG3 can be. If your basing what you know of RG3 based on the Raven's game he was smart enough to know when not to play. All you people saying RG3 is a gamer yada yada and will always stay in the game no matter what forgot about the Raven's game and the post game conference.

You watch the playoff post game with RG3 and they seems like two completely different players where he was saying he was the best option even though he was injured and limping all over the field.

I'm confused by your post...

If by taking himself out of the Ravens game means falling in a heap and being unable to get up and move forward, then, yes, I suppose you can say that's RG3 removed himself from the Ravens game

If you're a coach using your eyes to see that over multiple plays and multiple quarters, your quarterback is not effective, yet you keep him in until the last minute (when he suffers a substantial injury), then yeah, you've definitely opened yourself up to likely receiving a little more criticism.

There is certainly a difference in a coach's decision-making over a relatively acute period (Ravens game - where one is more likely to trust what a player self-reports about an injury and ability to play) and a prolonged period (Seahawks game - where a coach has an ability to compare a player's self-reporting about his injury and playing ability to his actual playing ability). To not recognize the differences in those 2 circumstances is a bit ridiculous.

That said, I'm not going to feed into this frenzy and harshly criticize Shanahan for Sunday's decision to keep RG3 in the game because I, like every single other person in this world, don't know all the factors involved in that decision. I definitely lean toward it being more reasonable to take RG3 out after the half than not, and keeping him in fooooorrrreeeeevvvver. But, what's done is done and I think this is a big learning experience for everyone...including myself...in that I've learned to never ever, ever log onto facebook, ES, ESPN, or any sports news site after an incident like this and/or playoff loss and allow my blood pressure to be raised as a result of reading a bunch of crap stemming from emotionally-driven ranting, blaming, and conjecture.

[celticsalmon]

Time to move on- we've got Ovie and Company ready to fire up the blades and Adam LaRoche is returning to the Nats! All this finger pointing-calling coaches, players and team doctors liars- especially from the DC press and airwaves is not only irresponsible-it's childish and now it's monotonous. This is football- at the highest level and injuries are as much a part of the game as cute cheerleaders. As many have so astutely stated, if we won-everyone would be crowning RGIII. But since we lost, the wounded fan base takes it personally and lashes out at the players and coaches. It's a game for us-for Shanahan and Robert-it's their job. No one wanted him to get hurt - everyone wanted to win. But in today's NFL but someone always gets hurt-ask Chris Clemons. And even if the league eliminates the kick-off-there are still going to be injuries. They way some of y'all scream and carry on- you'd think you where the one writhing in pain Sunday night! HTTR

[zskins]

And I will say this: Where were all those fans who said to keep RG3 out of the Eagles game and start Kirk instead? Oh wait.... that's right.. they wanted him to start!!!!
He was not that mobile in Philly or in the Dallas game and you could tell he was not 100% - he might have felt like he was 100%. There is a difference.

[KDawg]

And I will say this: Where were all those fans who said to keep RG3 out of the Eagles game and start Kirk instead? Oh wait.... that's right.. they wanted him to start!!!!
He was not that mobile in Philly or in the Dallas game and you could tell he was not 100% - he might have felt like he was 100%. There is a difference.

You honestly didn't see a difference, bro?

He was much more accurate and effective versus Philly and Dallas. He wasn't as mobile, but he could complete one major duty of the quarterback: throwing.

Vs. Seattle, he couldn't run or pass after the first quarter.

[hail2skins]

I couldn't believe that Shanahan, seeing the condition RG3 was in after he completed the pass to Garcon down to the 15 in the Ravens game, didn't pull him. Sometimes you wonder if the coach is even watching the game. Check out around the 2:15 mark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91kWLFxvFcg

[skins island connection]

There's only 1 person to blame; RGIII himself. Period.
After the concussion hit he took against Atlanta, it was all but beat into his head to ****ing SLIDE, which he did not in the Ravens game.
He went head/side first which left his legs vunerable up in the air; if he had slid, this would not be discussed nor would it be a problem.
Being a competitor is one thing, and for the love of anything good I hope to hell he's learned his lesson and will slide from now on. If Mike has a remote control device to control every possible movement of RGIII then yea he could be blamed, but he doesn't; players want to play and help their team win no matter what, and you can only tell a young and inexperienced man this, from then on its up to him to learn the easy way or the hard way. I think RGIII has finally learned the hard way; that is, unless when he hits the field again he continues to NOT slide...

[Skinsfan In NM]

Well I can partly agree with you there skins island connection. I truly hope that Robert has learned the value of a good slide. I also know that it was a strange hit that he took in the ravens game. Sometimes those hits are going to take place, it is a full contact sport afterall. At this point we all need to just hope for the best. Get ready to see some upgrades in our OL and D during the off season (hopefully anyway). And get ready to start next season right where we left off from this season.

HTTR all day every day!

[Probos]

Good lord,.....thread/OP fail.

Shanny F'ing blew it -- end of story.

Robert's having total knee reconstruction. His future and the future of him leading this team for years to come is murky at best right now, and I think it ****ing sucks.

[JTNumber7]

I don't understand why Shanahan didn't pull Robert when the Skins went down by seven against the Seahawks. There was enough time left at that point so that he would have been able to run the ball and keep the heat off Cousins. We were only one score down! And of course, on that drive the worst happened. I know that hindsight, as they say, is 20-20, but this still galls me. Let's hope that they don't rush Robert back into the lineup just because he says he is ready. And don't just take Dr. Andrews' opinion; a lot of good that did.