CNN Video: guest Alex Jones Slams Piers Morgan

[Corcaigh]

Commander in Chief, Earth Project Transition, Pleiades Sector Flight Command, Intergalactic Federation Fleet—Ashtar Command; Earth Representative to the Cosmic Council and Intergalactic Federation Council on Earth Transition.

It's hard to dispute an authority figure like that.

[AsburySkinsFan]

I just wanted to comment on some falsely attributed Thomas Jefferson quotes.

We love our Founding Fathers so much that we shall make them in our image and bow down and worship their wisdom, majesty and wonder!!

BTW, I'm not telling whether or not "wonder" in the above sentence is an adjective or a verb.

[Poman]

Of course it does.

Is Alex Jones doing that?

Is there any chance of doing that when so many people get outraged and start screaming about Hitler the second the subject comes up?

I assume you are referring to the need of the 2nd Amendment to be modernized? Is Alex Jones doing what? I didn't even know who he was prior to this thread. And again, not that I agree with all of it, but there is historical evidence to back up some people's fears of a government they don't fully trust unarming them. I personally think its a good thing that so many people get fired up about a change to the constitution. Thats how it should be. Changes to the Constitution should not be taking lightly. Intellectual debate is a neccesity instead of dismissing one side out of hand.

[Corcaigh]

"attacked" is generous to say the least, what's more is that Poman responded to me, I never once mentioned him. Freud would have a field day.

You can add another set of quotation marks if you'd like.

[Hersh]

Now, these same sheeple are inundated by opportunistic politicians pushing bans on a constitutional right and they support it because "oh yea, that guy I voted for supports it, so do I". What did he support again? I don't know, I just know I voted for him.

Wow! Now that's future of our country!

Which politicians are pushing bans on a constitutional right? Are you suggesting that the 2nd amendment should be without any limitations and that it's your right to own whatever gun you choose?

I don't think a single person on here is advocating banning all guns. To paraphrase your own rant you seem to be "making your opinion on what's happening a fact."

[Tulane Skins Fan]

I guess no one watched the second video of this interview where Jones says that W. Bush was involved in the 9/11 attacks... which is part of his reasoning that we need to have no gun control rules.

[Poman]

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The first quote is from his Commonplace Book, where he quoted a passage. The quote is not attributed to him in my post. The second one, people have recently challenged the validity of, but there is not evidence that he did not say it. It's one I grew up with. Maybe they are not exact, but they are things I believe in. So now that you have attempted to ridicule me, do you have anything intelligent to add?

[The Evil Genius]

So now that you have attempted to ridicule me, do you have anything intelligent to add?

I thought he was just trying to correct the source.

Besides, any time you support your argument with quotes from historical figures, you open yourself up to some zingers if the quotes aren't quite accurate. As an aside, I would hope that Monticello would be the final authority on all things TJ.

[Poman]

The same argument applies. You can find lunatics of any persuasion if you want to find something to rail against. The internet and polarized media makes it all too easy. The mainstream and the majority is in the middle.

Great post!

[DjTj]

The first quote is from his Commonplace Book, where he quoted a passage. The quote is not attributed to him in my post. The second one, people have recently challenged the validity of, but there is not evidence that he did not say it. It's one I grew up with. Maybe they are not exact, but they are things I believe in. So now that you have attempted to ridicule me, do you have anything intelligent to add?

I'm not trying to ridicule you, but you shouldn't use false quotes. If you believe in something, just say that you believe in it. Don't try to claim that Thomas Jefferson said something that he did not.

There is no evidence that Thomas Jefferson ever said the second quote. It does not appear anywhere before 1986. If you grew up with it, that is probably because the quote was made up while you were young. It's fine that you believe in the principle. But don't try to falsely attach Thomas Jefferson's name to it.

Also, just to emphasize that I'm not picking on you specifically. Someone else used one of those quotes two years ago, and I called him on it then too: http://www.extremeskins.com/showthre...=1#post7609424

[zoony]

"those who would pretend to be persecuted on the internet deserve it. Or something"

-Thomas Jefferson

[ZoEd]

One can argue that the biggest "sweeping generalization" of all is the NRA-pushed notion that the Second Amendment means Absolutely NO Restrictions on Gun Ownership of Any Type.

The "well-regulated" part of the Second Amendment doesn't exist in their world.

But neither side is willing to sit down and work out the issue. Why? I would argue that the well intended pursuit of stricter policies and regulations in the form of a bill, gets bogged down with verbose legal mumbo jumbo that's so vague it's interpretation enables a foot in the door for use to target other guns besides the ones it was initially intended for. All of these "riders" that are attached that bog down the process allowing political posturing during future elections. You know the ones, "He voted against the use of widgets on innocent baby seals!" Well, the widget-seal bill had a rider attached that called for the mass production of Cowboy jerseys, requiring every American to purchase one or be fined!

The problem isn't gun restrictions, the problem is politics! PERIOD! The problem is multifaceted and there's no easy solution. Being depressed and a thug are cool, it's part of the "culture". 5 year olds are playing call of duty and the perception of the value of life is effected. I went to see Django the other night and a couple had a FIVE year old in the theater! Our society has cultivated the "everybody wins" generation. No matter how much effort, how much you suck at it, by God here's your trophy, ribbon or pat on the back with a "nice try Johnny". We are not preparing these kids for the "real" world! They show up to work 15 minutes late and expect it to be okay because "hey, I tried to get here on time, pay me!". They're used to putting out minimal effort and thought and still receiving the same benefits and attention as the kids showing up, busting their asses and putting in the work to succeed. That's why they feel entitled. That's why they think they can leave HS and get a job making $60K a year. That's why when I ask my future Career Academy Students what they want to be when they grow up and I get answers like engineer and they're at a 7th grade math level; doctor and they can't write a simple sentence and read on a 6th grade level. They're don't "fit in" at all and we call it "socially awkward" which can absolutely be the case. However, when they're socially awkward and spend 6+ hours a day living in a fantasy world of video games full of violence and made up characters, it tends to change their prespective on reality. But we're so concerned with hurting their itty bitty little feelings or crushing their dreams, we send them off into the real world unequipped for reality and when they realize this they decide they're going to just be the bad ass they are on Call of Duty and go gun down innocent people!

Tightening the grip on guns will have same effect tightening the grip on drugs has had. We see how that has worked.

[Dan T.]

Poman, as an owner of multiple guns, can you talk about the process you went through to acquire those guns? Are existing laws (State... FLA? and Federal) too onerous or unwieldy? I ask this as an honest question, not being too familiar with the process.

I probably fall somewhere in the middle of the gun control debate - I think that some restriction on large capacity semi-automatic weapons is reasonable but that any further restriction is probably fruitless given the vast number of guns out there now. And even with semi-automatics - so called "assault-weapon" ban - the devil is in the details, as the previous ban proved.

[No Excuses]

Tightening the grip on guns will have same effect tightening the grip on drugs has had. We see how that has worked.

As evidenced by all the developed nations who have fairly successfully tightened the grip on guns.

[Poman]

I'm not trying to ridicule you, but you shouldn't use false quotes. If you believe in something, just say that you believe in it. Don't try to claim that Thomas Jefferson said something that he did not.

There is no evidence that Thomas Jefferson ever said the second quote. It does not appear anywhere before 1986. If you grew up with it, that is probably because the quote was made up while you were young. It's fine that you believe in the principle. But don't try to falsely attach Thomas Jefferson's name to it.

Also, just to emphasize that I'm not picking on you specifically. Someone else used one of those quotes two years ago, and I called him on it then too: http://www.extremeskins.com/showthre...=1#post7609424

Cheer bro I will be more astute in my quote selections from here on.