Receivers dominated in Seattle game...

[2cents]

Gotcha, thanks.

No idea how I missed that thread. I'm optimistic that he and Hankerson come into camp fully recovered. Maybe they got there this year, but I won't be surprised by a marked improvement by both.

Its in the "Cleared to play vs healthy to play" thread. Doesn't say a whole lot, but I glanced at in only and that was a few days ago.

---------- Post added January-22nd-2013 at 05:03 PM ----------

You mean for Cousins next year? I think it's hilarious how the Homers still actually BELIEVE the garbage rhetoric being issued by the Skins front office regardings Bob's injury. People have no idea just how bad this guys injury is... his knee was trashed(THANKS SHANAHAN) and there is no way any of us know how he will recover or how he will play once recovered. It is very possible that we gave up 3 drafts for a 1 season wonder. Sorry Homers... It's just not. Prepare for the Kirk Cousins era in DC

Oh, and in another in your series of epic fails, nothing put out about RGIII's knee has come from the front office, it has all comes from Dr. Andrew's. At least try harder, c'mon.[COLOR="Gold"]

[adamyesme1111]

I don't believe that. It wasn't like Griffin couldn't read coverage, what I saw was him not being able to make the tight passes between airtight coverage. A big reason why is because our guys weren't getting open enough. Our guys were getting hit and well covered because oddly enough they really don't blitz that much. Our offense is good at getting people open, but wasn't enough to match up against the way they play Defense. Griffin would've had to run the ball more to get first downs and sustain drives then he was able to, and that's why we lost.

I disagree. I watch this game and because RGIII was injured he actually was missing people making pretty bad throws. There was one play were 3 redskins recievers were ALL wide open 10 yards on the opposite side of the field, but he couldn't accurately place it to any of them and it fell short and in the middle of almost all three of them. Not being able to set properly really hurt him. The Recievers did very well IMO, but I have only watched the game 4 times.

[Renegade7]

I disagree. I watch this game and because RGIII was injured he actually was missing people making pretty bad throws. There was one play were 3 redskins recievers were ALL wide open 10 yards on the opposite side of the field, but he couldn't accurately place it to any of them and it fell short and in the middle of almost all three of them. Not being able to set properly really hurt him. The Recievers did very well IMO, but I have only watched the game 4 times.

Smh, I guess twice wasn't enough. I stand by what I said and after watching this team all year I still don't feel we have a receiving core that can get by with the loss of one or both of our primary receivers (that's what happened in that three game losing steak prior to the bye week).

People can argue in this thread until their blue in the face about whether or not receivers were or were not getting open, but the poll has spoken and so have posters on the "hopes" that the receiving core will develop to complement Garcon as the primary receiver.

We're hoping Morgan recovers from the injury, we're hoping Hankerson reaches his potential, we're hoping Moss doesn't let his age finally catch up with him and that Aldrick Robinson can eventually take his place as deep threat/ slot player (he's really the only speed threat at WR except Garcon going forward into the future when you think about it). We're also hoping Davis and Helu, Jr come back from season ending injuries and not only contribute, but help this offense get to the next level to battle the better teams in the NFL in the postseason, not just the regular season. And we're also praying Garcon not getting surgery doesn't come back to haunt him ala Landry (knocks on wood)

It's an accomplishment to have 4 receivers go over 500 yards in a season, but I'm not lost to the fact only one went over 600. Our two best receivers were non-factors or injured for at least half the season. I'm going to say this one last time and its the same thing I said in my last post in this thread; we can say it's not a priority to fix all we want,but its not something we should ignore. That would be a mistake.

[adamyesme1111]

Smh, I guess twice wasn't enough. I stand by what I said and after watching this team all year I still don't feel we have a receiving core that can get by with the loss of one or both of our primary receivers (that's what happened in that three game losing steak prior to the bye week).

People can argue in this thread until their blue in the face about whether or not receivers were or were not getting open, but the poll has spoken and so have posters on the "hopes" that the receiving core will develop to complement Garcon as the primary receiver.

We're hoping Morgan recovers from the injury, we're hoping Hankerson reaches his potential, we're hoping Moss doesn't let his age finally catch up with im and that Aldrick Robinson can eventually take his place as deep threat/ slot player. We're also hoping Davis and Helu, Jr come back from season ending injuries and not only contribute, but help this offense get to the next level to battle the better teams in the NFL in the postseason, not just the regular season. And we're also praying Garcon not getting surgery doesn't come back to haunt him ala Landry (knocks on wood)

It's an accomplishment to have 4 receivers go over 500 yards in a season, but I'm not lost to the fact only one went over 600. Our two best receivers were non-factors or injured for at least half the season. I'm going to say this one last time and its the same thing I said in my last post in this thread; we can say it's not a priority to fix all we want,but its not something we should ignore. That would be a mistake.

I must admit that I will not be responding to you're whole post because you started arguing your points to me about matters that has nothing to do with my opinion. I thought we were talking about how the Redskins' receivers played in the Seattle game, not whether I think we need to improve on them or not or we are set with who we have.

[Renegade7]

I must admit that I will not be responding to you're whole post because you started arguing your points to me about matters that has nothing to do with my opinion. I thought we were talking about how the Redskins' receivers played in the Seattle game, not whether I think we need to improve on them or not or we are set with who we have.

I don't blame you because most people jumped on the title without really looking at the poll or the OP. Don't sweat it...

[adamyesme1111]

I did read the OP and sorry the receiving corps matter is one that I could probably talk about for a while and I didn't have the time so I just poked in my opinion that I noticed a few bad throws to open receivers by RGIII after his leg. I didn't pay full attention to receivers the entire game and I do not think they are close to the Seahawks' secondary talent wise, but Kyle Shanahan does a hell of a job getting receivers open. I was surprised by the play of our receivers when Grossman was QB.

[skinny21]

We're hoping Morgan recovers from the injury, we're hoping Hankerson reaches his potential, we're hoping Moss doesn't let his age finally catch up with him and that Aldrick Robinson can eventually take his place as deep threat/ slot player (he's really the only speed threat at WR except Garcon going forward into the future when you think about it). We're also hoping Davis and Helu, Jr come back from season ending injuries and not only contribute, but help this offense get to the next level to battle the better teams in the NFL in the postseason, not just the regular season. And we're also praying Garcon not getting surgery doesn't come back to haunt him ala Landry (knocks on wood)

While I really like the potential this group offers (including Helu and Davis), you make a good point here. It's somewhat similar to our safety situation in terms of availability vs talent. the difference is that we have better depth at WR, even if they all have their weakness and/or question marks.

Essentially, the secondary has to be improved first, but so do the pass catchers. The issue I have is I think the wrs are fine, it's the third down back and TE that need addressing. I think we absolutely draft a guy to serve as third down back (or at least compete with Helu). As for TE, I'd be comfortable bringing back Davis and Paulsen with Paul third again. Re-signing allows us to gamble on Davis a bit.

[Renegade7]

I agree Kyle is a great coach and his system works. This is one of those games where it's going to take a while for people to just get over the fact Griffin was playing hurt and stayed out there anyway. That's why I stepped away for the last 8 pages because I have a life and felt I said my piece and needed to let it wait out the outrage before it really made sense to more people. But there is truth to the fact Morris and Kyle both helped to allow Griffin to develop as a passing QB because he was only 22 years old. There is truth to our #1 run offense basically winning games for us more then our passing game sometimes, hell, a lot. We are not perfect, so hopefully 2-3 weeks later a lot of us have calmed down to truly understand that.

hail

[jivelikenice]

I love 'Tana but we need someone to push him in the slot. He's reliable,but didnt do much in the open field after catches. A upgrade there and an upgrade at TE is necessary. Fred is solid, but coming off an injury, why take a chance? I think RG3 would benefit from a bigger target, which was evidenced by how he got Paulson involved in the gameplan. He seems to look or him over the middle, and I'm sure him being a ginger target had something to do with it. Martellus Bennett, Ed Dickson, and Jared Cook could fit the mold. Delanie Walker is also interesting, but he's more of a speed threat....in the slot I'd love for us to go after Amendola, but i am concerned about his injury troubles....

[Laron Burgundy]

Smh, I guess twice wasn't enough. I stand by what I said and after watching this team all year I still don't feel we have a receiving core that can get by with the loss of one or both of our primary receivers (that's what happened in that three game losing steak prior to the bye week).

People can argue in this thread until their blue in the face about whether or not receivers were or were not getting open, but the poll has spoken and so have posters on the "hopes" that the receiving core will develop to complement Garcon as the primary receiver.

Haha, I wouldn't be too quick to really place worth in polls here. For every 2 people who wanted rg3 last year, there was 1 who wanted Matt Barkley. There wasn't a poll in the read option thread but I think most people wanted it scrapped due to a possible rg3 injury (rg3 was not injured on read option plays). Heck, most people wanted Haslett fired and we all griped about drafting kirk, leribeus, and morris and quite a few were outraged on us passing on Gabbert because our starter last year was going to be Rex. Basically what I'm saying is nobody on here is at all qualified to evaluate a football team, though obviously we're all free to discuss it. We'll get a chance to revisit this after the offseason, and we'll see how actual football minds view this possible problem.

[Burgold]

Such an unfair thread in many ways.

What was true and what was false... were the wide open receivers and the offense that practically led the league in yardage until Griffin's injury in Baltimore a mirage? Was it also a mirage against Cleveland?

Or did we finally see our wide receivers true worth with a one legged quarterback against one of the stoutest secondaries in the league? Couple that with the fact that Garcon still had the foot injury, Morgan was obviously playing hurt, Hankerson is one year off major surgery, and both he and Robinson were getting their first field time.

Frankly, the sky seems pretty blue when you looked at this group and what they accomplished up until Griffin just couldn't go. Is it the best corp in the NFL? Nah, but it's plenty good enough as we saw most of the year.

[pjfootballer]

I'm going to say this one last time and its the same thing I said in my last post in this thread; we can say it's not a priority to fix all we want,but its not something we should ignore. That would be a mistake.

Actually, I agree and I'm sure the FO is well aware of this. You always want to get better. While the receivers showed some promise, we still have a ways to go and anytime you can improve your team, you do it. I would not be surprised to see Briscoe, Banks or even Moss gone and Shanahan bring in another set of WR whether its through free agency or the draft. He wants youth, speed and yards after catch.

---------- Post added January-23rd-2013 at 08:37 AM ----------

I love 'Tana but we need someone to push him in the slot. He's reliable,but didnt do much in the open field after catches. A upgrade there and an upgrade at TE is necessary. Fred is solid, but coming off an injury, why take a chance? I think RG3 would benefit from a bigger target, which was evidenced by how he got Paulson involved in the gameplan. He seems to look or him over the middle, and I'm sure him being a ginger target had something to do with it. Martellus Bennett, Ed Dickson, and Jared Cook could fit the mold. Delanie Walker is also interesting, but he's more of a speed threat....in the slot I'd love for us to go after Amendola, but i am concerned about his injury troubles....

Martellus Bennett will either sign with the Giants or he might follow his brother to Tampa.
Dickson is garbage. Pitta caught more balls than he did.
Cook doesn't block. A staple of Shanahan is, you gotta be able to block.
If Walker has speed, that's what we're always looking for, but I'm not sure he's the prototype TE we need. I tell you what? I'd like to give Fred a chance. He tweeted or something that he's already started running and will be ready by OTAs. He said his injury was similar to Suggs tear and Suggs will be starting in the SB less than a year removed from his injury. One guy that I think could fill Davis' role if we don't re-sign him is Dustin Keller for the Jets. He reminds me of a poor man's Tony Gonzalez.

[2cents]

Actually, I agree and I'm sure the FO is well aware of this. You always want to get better. While the receivers showed some promise, we still have a ways to go and anytime you can improve your team, you do it. I would not be surprised to see Briscoe, Banks or even Moss gone and Shanahan bring in another set of WR whether its through free agency or the draft. He wants youth, speed and yards after catch.

You always look to get better everywhere, but with the cap stuff, reciever upgrade will probably have to wait. We HAVE to fix the secondary first imo.

[pjfootballer]

You always look to get better everywhere, but with the cap stuff, reciever upgrade will probably have to wait. We HAVE to fix the secondary first imo.

In the free agency thread someone posted something from Grant Paulson who said the FO is still going to be aggressive (not Vinny agressive) like they were last year sans the cap. He said the FO has ways around it and will be looking for whatever means necessary to improve the team. I wasn't trying to insinuate that the secondary take a back seat to the WRs. I realize we still have alot of areas we need to improve on.

[2cents]

In the free agency thread someone posted something from Grant Paulson who said the FO is still going to be aggressive (not Vinny agressive) like they were last year sans the cap. He said the FO has ways around it and will be looking for whatever means necessary to improve the team. I wasn't trying to insinuate that the secondary take a back seat to the WRs. I realize we still have alot of areas we need to improve on.

I got that, just imo, if $ is limited the secondary should come first. I saw that in that thread too, and I am interested to see exactly how they pull it off.