Sandy hook "hoax"?

[alexey]

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I think the media misrepresented the events of that day and have not atoned for the misinformation that was reported. I do find it to be quite convenient that these details are still fuzzy, but are the driving force behind a nationwide political agenda for gun control. Do I think the government went and massacred a bunch of children over it? I sure as hell hope not. Reason would tell me no. Does it make me a coward, a moron, or an idiot for considering the possibility of it?
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Depends on how seriously you are considering it.

If you are serioulsy considering a possibility that some entity has orchestrated a complex, expensive, highly public event which involved fooling or co-conspiring with hunderds of people, and it did so without being forced and without having a clear follow-up plan that has a very high probability of success, then yes you are a ****ing idiot.

[The Evil Genius]

Ya... that totally justifies the FBI slaughtering everyone.

Unless you were there, how you claim that with 100% certainty? The official report states that the leaders shot most of their own (mostly the kids) and the others died in the fire. Of course, you can't possibly believe the official report - because it doesn't prove your point about the evils of government.

[Mad Mike]

I think we should ask David Koresh if he feels there is a possibility of the government killing kids.

Yeah. Lets ask the insane guy who thought he was the messiah and actually killed the kids.

Talk about circular logic.

[Bang]

What are they for is a good question anymore. Do you know how many we actually have? It is staggering, simply staggering. Weapons like that aren't for anything other than what they were built for. It isn't as if they don't or couldn't work... they most certainly do.

I know,, but that's another debate. i get your analogy before, but our stock of nukes aren't really a part of this discussion.
All weapons of war are developed with the express purpose of killing. At the bottom most of bottom lines, they're all evil in intent. However, I still like to think of us as somewhat of a good guy,
I'm not under any delusions that we have not done dirty things in the past, but i think we use such things more to keep the peace around the world rather than oppress.
If it makes sense, I trust our military more than I trust our government. It's one reason why I dismiss many of these revolutionary false flag theories.
On order to do what these theorists expect, the military is going to have to cooperate.
and it won't. More than anything the military is us.
All of us, i everyone who reads this thread knows someone in the military. They would not turn on this population to prop up any evil regime.
I'd bet my life on it.

~Bang

[SkinsWarrior81]

Depends on how seriously you are considering it.

If you are serioulsy considering a possibility that some entity has orchestrated a complex, expensive, highly public event which involved fooling or co-conspiring with hunderds of people, and it did so without being forced and without having a clear follow-up plan that has a very high probability of success, then yes you are a ****ing idiot.

Thanks for your opinion. I never said I was seriously considering it. I merely stated that completely discounting the possibility of the government doing something of that ilk throughout history is ignorant at best.

Have you ever heard of a false flag? Those kinds of things have happened and will continue to happen. That isn't an opinion.

[Bang]

I think we should ask David Koresh if he feels there is a possibility of the government killing kids.

I think that's an asinine comparison.

~Bang

[AsburySkinsFan]

Unless you were there, how you claim that with 100% certainty? The official report states that the leaders shot most of their own (mostly the kids) and the others died in the fire. Of course, you can't possibly believe the official report - because it doesn't prove your point about the evils of government.

You can't believe the official report because the government is hiding its conspiracy therefore the only thing that can be believed is that the government is lying so the only information we can trust is that which has been "discovered" by the conspiracy theorists.

BTW "discovered" has been changed to be synonymous with fabricated.

[SkinsWarrior81]

I know,, but that's another debate. i get your analogy before, but our stock of nukes aren't really a part of this discussion.
All weapons of war are developed with the express purpose of killing. At the bottom most of bottom lines, they're all evil in intent. However, I still like to think of us as somewhat of a good guy,
I'm not under any delusions that we have not done dirty things in the past, but i think we use such things more to keep the peace around the world rather than oppress.
If it makes sense, I trust our military more than I trust our government. It's one reason why I dismiss many of these revolutionary false flag theories.
On order to do what these theorists expect, the military is going to have to cooperate.
and it won't. More than anything the military is us.
All of us, i everyone who reads this thread knows someone in the military. They would not turn on this population to prop up any evil regime.
I'd bet my life on it.

~Bang

I am a vet. I would never turn on our population and no one I knew would. I do not think that is a realistic possibility. I do feel we are on the long and slow road to a more fascist state than we currently are. Do I believe tomorrow I am going to wake up in Obama/Hitler land? No, of course not. Do I think maybe my grandkids could? Possibly. I think it is our job, specifically, to prevent such a state for our nation.

[Koolblue13]

There is a clothing optiona beach in New Jersey called Sandy Hook and the town I'm from is Newtown and somebody I went to high school with lost their kid in this mess. It's all very familiar.

[The Evil Genius]

Yeah. Lets ask the insane guy who thought he was the messiah and actually killed the kids.

Talk about circular logic.

I think that's an asinine comparison.

~Bang

You can't believe the official report because the government is hiding its conspiracy therefore the only thing that can be believed is that the government is lying so the only information we can trust is that which has been "discovered" by the conspiracy theorists.

BTW "discovered" has been changed to be synonymous with fabricated.

I'm glad that there is something (other than the Skins) that people from all parts of the political spectrum can mostly agree on.

[SkinsWarrior81]

You can't believe the official report because the government is hiding its conspiracy therefore the only thing that can be believed is that the government is lying so the only information we can trust is that which has been "discovered" by the conspiracy theorists.

BTW "discovered" has been changed to be synonymous with fabricated.

So when the FBI burned down the compound with live people in it.. it was still not their fault. Got it.

[skins2323]

anytime something terrible happens in this country, there is always some kind of theory developed. There was one for Columbine, one for 9/11 and now this.

[Kosher Ham]

Bang, I don't believe that the video references Christmas at all.
I would be more likely to say that Christmas is the reason people would not believe it.
As stated previously...I don't believe it...but there are some questions. That's it. Nothing more.
I have never stated the gov't was behind the whole thing.
What was the meaning of time behind 9/11 ? ...yeah, nothing.

[Henry]

Gun sales have skyrocketed since this incident occurred.

Clearly this was all orchestrated by gun manufacturers to boost sales.

[mboyd784]

Right. So the Government would take out its own military members from a highly secretive special ops force, put the news out there for everyone to see but still want to cover up the truth behind the Osama raid.

Not crazy at all to entertain such twisted logic.

I dot not suggest or infer that the "government" was behind it. This is fallacy in your thinking. It's not a simple choice between the TV tells me the truth or the "govt" did it. Things are a lot more complicated than that and I think you know that. I only brought this one up because it was such a left-field story. Since when are all major news outlets privy to the elimination of classified Special Forces half a world away? It struck me as odd.

Let me say that I find the official story of the Bin Laden raid plausible and was happy to celebrate it. I am also willing to entertain other scenarios regarding Bin Laden's demise but that is a long story for another day.