Sandy hook "hoax"?

[Jumbo]

Equally important is the ability to do so BEFORE you fully embrace the conspiracy theory and start spouting it around. We shouldn't have to do it for him like we did here.

I know. I'm getting old. Losing my edge. I am only comfortable in my meany pants for a short time unless it's really serious. zoony is so disappointed.

Of course, even in my advanced years and with all these health issues, I can still drop a mule with my right, so don't press me.

[Predicto]

I know. I'm getting old. Losing my edge. I am only comfortable in my meany pants for a short time unless it's really serious. zoony is so disappointed.

Of course, even in my advanced years and with all these health issues, I can still drop a mule with my right, so don't press me.

Time to put the old dog down, I fear.

[chipwhich]

Of course, even in my advanced years and with all these health issues, I can still drop a mule with my right, so don't press me.

I have my imaginary thread I always wanted to start....which mod would you want (with a series of questions i.e. to have dinner with, to go drinking with)...

One was to be in a back alley with if a fight erupted/you were under attack. My answer was Die Hard (I know he isn't a mod any longer). But I am changing it officially to Jumbo.

[Drop]

No, it makes you gullible.

Find me gullible all you want. I'll find you ignorant to assume i'm gullible simply because I won't put blinders on like you. Continue to judge people as you see fit, i won't stop you. I'll quietly laugh at you behind your back...or to your face. Whichever you prefer.


And Bang, thank you for your intelligent response. I truly do appreciate your position on this subject, and i respect it to the fullest. That's how folks have a constructive and meaningful conversation. ASF should grab a pen and a pad and take some notes.

But to your point Bang I will say this, i don't think I, or the OP, or anyone in this thread really has crossed the line of intelligently questioning their government to wearing tinfoil hats, and acting like lunatics hell bent on proving that our government is a child murdering one who's out to push an agenda. I've simply, and with the utmost education asked, "why" and "how" where certain things don't make sense.

Simple example....the facebook pages, the other support pages that were shown to have been created for Sandy Hook BEFORE the tragedy occured.....how do you explain something like that?

I don't see the logic in the NRA pushing an "arm everyone" agenda, as that's never happened. We are clearly in the midst of some of the heaviest gun control talks in the history of our nation...and that's where that comparison fails on me. The NRA offers a membership to those who choose to pay their dues and be a part of it. They have never tried to "arm everyone" or push guns onto people. If enjoying firearms, and educating people about firearms is "forcing" them on people....then maybe there's a lot of other things that should be "forced" on people in this world so that they have more education and respect for certain things.

But to boil it all down....i do believe our government would use it's own people to push an agenda. You may not want to believe it, but I have no choice but to keep my eyes open and my ear to the ground. I don't really trust our government honestly. I love America....but this America we live in now is a shade of it's former self, and that's my opinion. I don't want this hoax to be true....but at the same time, i don't want a state of Marshall Law being declared and I'm not allowed to defend myself or my family. That may be radical thinking to some...but it's not that far fetched, and i'm certainly not crazy for wanting to protect my family from the unimaginable. When the signs are there, and something sneaks up on you...who's fault is it for not wanting to see what was right in front of their faces?

[lovetoaster]

They're EXACTLY alike now.
if you can, catch last night's Daily Show, the interview with the CNN bean counter that has eliminated their entire investigative journalism section.
CNN may not be a direct propaganda outlet, but they've gone off the deep end of the "Lazy river'.
the guy said that there was no news story anywhere in the world that required any travel, that it could be thoroughly discovered, researched and vetted on the internet... and so they did.. they cut their entire investigative dept.
it's ****ing pathetic.

~Bang

That is just incredible. So disappointing from a news organization.

[jly0784]

You actually have no idea who was on the Bin Laden raid and neither do I, as it's highly classified. I merely point it out as a startling coincidence and I don't recommend taking CNN quotes from unnamed military sources as gospel.

i know this wasnt dircted towards me, but i do know someone who was involved, and at the scene of bin ladens shooting. its someone i have known my entire life, and ive got no reason to doubt anything he said about what happened that night....

as for this video, its essentially throwing all the mis-information that was reported, and thrown together to be a conspiracy video so ignorant people will question the government and what not... dont buy this crap for one second

[Corcaigh]

i know this wasnt dircted towards me, but i do know someone who was involved, and at the scene of bin ladens shooting. its someone i have known my entire life, and ive got no reason to doubt anything he said about what happened that night....

Well there's the inference in one of his posts that the operatives who killed Bin Laden were conveniently "eliminated" in another mission so that they couldn't talk. If that was how Special Forces leadership ran their command, who would serve?

[Dan T.]

Find me gullible all you want. I'll find you ignorant to assume i'm gullible simply because I won't put blinders on like you. Continue to judge people as you see fit, i won't stop you. I'll quietly laugh at you behind your back...or to your face. Whichever you prefer.

See Predicto's post about how to spot a conspiracy theorist.


And Bang, thank you for your intelligent response. I truly do appreciate your position on this subject, and i respect it to the fullest. That's how folks have a constructive and meaningful conversation. ASF should grab a pen and a pad and take some notes.

Bang has shown much greater patience in this thread than I ever would be able to muster, considering the idiocy of the video in the original thread and some of the dumb posts that followed.

But to your point Bang I will say this, i don't think I, or the OP, or anyone in this thread really has crossed the line of intelligently questioning their government to wearing tinfoil hats, and acting like lunatics hell bent on proving that our government is a child murdering one who's out to push an agenda. I've simply, and with the utmost education asked, "why" and "how" where certain things don't make sense.

I think the OP, and many others in this thread, have "asked questions" without really caring to hear the actual answers. Example A:

Simple example....the facebook pages, the other support pages that were shown to have been created for Sandy Hook BEFORE the tragedy occured.....how do you explain something like that?

That very question has been answered 4 or 5 times in this thread already.

I don't see the logic in the NRA pushing an "arm everyone" agenda, as that's never happened. We are clearly in the midst of some of the heaviest gun control talks in the history of our nation...and that's where that comparison fails on me. The NRA offers a membership to those who choose to pay their dues and be a part of it. They have never tried to "arm everyone" or push guns onto people. If enjoying firearms, and educating people about firearms is "forcing" them on people....then maybe there's a lot of other things that should be "forced" on people in this world so that they have more education and respect for certain things.

The NRA has fought every single gun control measure in this country for the last 50 years or more. Which is their right in a free society. Your characterization of them as some kind of passive group of gun owning hobbyists is laughable.

But to boil it all down....i do believe our government would use it's own people to push an agenda. You may not want to believe it, but I have no choice but to keep my eyes open and my ear to the ground. I don't really trust our government honestly. I love America....but this America we live in now is a shade of it's former self, and that's my opinion. I don't want this hoax to be true....but at the same time, i don't want a state of Marshall Law being declared and I'm not allowed to defend myself or my family. That may be radical thinking to some...but it's not that far fetched, and i'm certainly not crazy for wanting to protect my family from the unimaginable. When the signs are there, and something sneaks up on you...who's fault is it for not wanting to see what was right in front of their faces?

It's sad the lack of faith you and others seem to have in our system of governance. People rant about rejecting the foresight of the founding fathers who passed the Second Amendment, yet have no faith that the rest of system of government established by those forefathers by the U.S. Constitution can withstand political differences when their party loses an election or an issue takes the stage that they disagree with. The hypocrisy is palpable. By all means be vigilant that our government doesn't turn into a fascist state. Sorry, but I don't see the "signs" that's happening, so I'm not ready to join you on the wall just yet.

[Mad Mike]

Find me gullible all you want. I'll find you ignorant to assume i'm gullible simply because I won't put blinders on like you. Continue to judge people as you see fit, i won't stop you. I'll quietly laugh at you behind your back...or to your face. Whichever you prefer.


And Bang, thank you for your intelligent response. I truly do appreciate your position on this subject, and i respect it to the fullest. That's how folks have a constructive and meaningful conversation. ASF should grab a pen and a pad and take some notes.

But to your point Bang I will say this, i don't think I, or the OP, or anyone in this thread really has crossed the line of intelligently questioning their government to wearing tinfoil hats, and acting like lunatics hell bent on proving that our government is a child murdering one who's out to push an agenda. I've simply, and with the utmost education asked, "why" and "how" where certain things don't make sense.

Simple example....the facebook pages, the other support pages that were shown to have been created for Sandy Hook BEFORE the tragedy occured.....how do you explain something like that?

I don't see the logic in the NRA pushing an "arm everyone" agenda, as that's never happened. We are clearly in the midst of some of the heaviest gun control talks in the history of our nation...and that's where that comparison fails on me. The NRA offers a membership to those who choose to pay their dues and be a part of it. They have never tried to "arm everyone" or push guns onto people. If enjoying firearms, and educating people about firearms is "forcing" them on people....then maybe there's a lot of other things that should be "forced" on people in this world so that they have more education and respect for certain things.

But to boil it all down....i do believe our government would use it's own people to push an agenda. You may not want to believe it, but I have no choice but to keep my eyes open and my ear to the ground. I don't really trust our government honestly. I love America....but this America we live in now is a shade of it's former self, and that's my opinion. I don't want this hoax to be true....but at the same time, i don't want a state of Marshall Law being declared and I'm not allowed to defend myself or my family. That may be radical thinking to some...but it's not that far fetched, and i'm certainly not crazy for wanting to protect my family from the unimaginable. When the signs are there, and something sneaks up on you...who's fault is it for not wanting to see what was right in front of their faces?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp#uw

[HailToTheRedskins14]

There is a new powerful tool in your arsenal. The fact that Google estimates the dates when items were published means you can find news on an event before it occurred, proving that it was all a set up.

Evidence: The actual results and vote counts of Obama's 2008 Presidential Victory were widely announced several days prior.

---------- Post added January-14th-2013 at 12:04 PM ----------



Each piece of idiocy just reinforces your position. It doesn't make your argument more compelling.

why do yall have to use the word idiot so much? Why not just debate the issue without acting like one group is superior to another? And I already know the answer - "cuz they are idiots!!"

And why is there outrage at someone asking these questions anyway? Why is it wrong to question this stuff? People on here actually threatened violence to a person if they said it in real life. That's ridiculous.

[jly0784]

Well there's the inference in one of his posts that the operatives who killed Bin Laden were conveniently "eliminated" in another mission so that they couldn't talk. If that was how Special Forces leadership ran their command, who would serve?

dont know, and not really here to argue anything really, just saying that in that particular instance i know from someone who was there what happened and have no reason to believe anything but what he told me happened

[Mad Mike]

i know this wasnt dircted towards me, but i do know someone who was involved, and at the scene of bin ladens shooting. its someone i have known my entire life, and ive got no reason to doubt anything he said about what happened that night....

as for this video, its essentially throwing all the mis-information that was reported, and thrown together to be a conspiracy video so ignorant people will question the government and what not... dont buy this crap for one second

mboyd has yet to meet a conspiracy theory he did not believe in. Many have tried to bring him to the light of reason, all have failed.

---------- Post added January-15th-2013 at 08:41 PM ----------

why do yall have to use the word idiot so much? Why not just debate the issue without acting like one group is superior to another? And I already know the answer - "cuz they are idiots!!"

And why is there outrage at someone asking these questions anyway? Why is it wrong to question this stuff? People on here actually threatened violence to a person if they said it in real life. That's ridiculous.

Because at some point, if someone is clearly in fact an idiot, the truth should be told.

Moronic conspiracy theories do not deserve to be given the same respect as sane rational arguments. They deserve every ounce of the contempt they receive.

[Corcaigh]

dont know, and not really here to argue anything really, just saying that in that particular instance i know from someone who was there what happened and have no reason to believe anything but what he told me happened

Right. You have access to information that most people don't. But even without that, what reasonable person would think it likely that Special Forces leadership were in the habit of murdering their own best people as part of a cover up.

[Mad Mike]

Right. You have access to information that most people don't. But even without that, would reasonable person would think it likely that Special Forces leadership were in the habit of murdering their own best people as part of a cover up.

Come on man, haven't you seen any Steven Seagal movies?

[Corcaigh]

why do yall have to use the word idiot so much? Why not just debate the issue without acting like one group is superior to another?

As you quoted my post, let me give you a crystal clear example of when asking a question crosses into idiocy.

It's a very reasonable question to ask why a Google search about Sandy Hook returns results that appear to have a date before the massacre. 99.9% of people probably couldn't answer that question.

What's idiotic is to conclude that something you don't understand, i.e. how Google software estimates dates, is evidence of a mass conspiracy where leading charities, parents, teachers and law enforcement engaged in a massive conspiracy to murder or disappear young children.