Sandy hook "hoax"?

[sportjunkie07]

i do think conspiracy theories can be true and that the common held viewpoint can be incorrect, i believe history proves that.

the pro conspiracy facts in this case do not outweigh all of the other facts supporting a mass shooting. a smile, impossible facebook page creation times, a picture of a girl with the Pres., conflicting media reports.... they are all too explainable to me.

one should expect conflicting/differeing points of view from the media when reporting on such a tragedy. a reporter's own bias, psychological and physical strain of the event, and the affects of catering to their viewers would cause this. consider the telephone game that you played as a kid.

i do think that people are fallible, and that many in the government will use events to push their own agenda. in catastrophies such as this, i think a doctoring of the facts does nothing but confuse the populace and give fuel to a conspiracy theorist's fire. of course, i have no way of proving or quantifying how much this "doctoring" occurs during an event; there is too much misinformation out there. i do not trust our current President or most of the people encharged with governing the populace. do i think that some of the "facts" in this case could have been altered to push a gun control agenda? sure. i think the current government has the motive and ability to do so. i think it's plausible and likely.

[Stadium-Armory]

i do think that people are fallible, and that many in the government will use events to push their own agenda. i do not trust our current President or most of the people encharged with governing the populace. do i think that some of the "facts" in this case could have been altered to push a gun control agenda. sure. i think the current government has the motive and ability to do so. i think it's plausible and likely.

Who exactly do you mean when you say 'the government'? The soldiers in Afghanistan? The doctors at the FDA? Air traffic controllers? My parents?

If you mean the elected officials like Congressmen and the Chief Executive, of course they have an agenda. That's why we put them there.

Please provide some examples of facts that you think were altered.

[AsburySkinsFan]

Overcome by stupid fumes....replied too quickly.

[Jumbo]

Facts are now judged as being "too explainable"....oh good heavens......we've gone past ludicrous speed and gone straight to plaid!! This is some of the craziest stuff I've ever read before, a fact is explainable and as a result it is then doubted because it can be explained?!

When did The Insane Clown Posse get and ES account?

Amigo, I think he's saying why he thinks a "conspiracy theory" here is silly, not defending it.

[AsburySkinsFan]

Amigo, I think he's saying why he thinks a "conspiracy theory" here is silly, not defending it.

Ahhh sorry I've been reading too much goofy stuff lately...seems I'm seeing it everywhere now.

[Corcaigh]

So can someone explain how Google search show pages with dates before the massacre?

I know I've explained it myself four times already in this thread, but it's pretty convincing evidence of a massive conspiracy if I'm a complete dumbass.

[Fletch_Lives59]

This administration isn't smart enough to pull something off like this.........

[MattFancy]

So can someone explain how Google search show pages with dates before the massacre?

I know I've explained it myself four times already in this thread, but it's pretty convincing evidence of a massive conspiracy if I'm a complete dumbass.

Theory 7: Time stamps on the webpage set up for donations state the page was created before the shootings took place. Google search results do not always accurately reflect the date the content was published. Example) Here is a date restrictive search of sandy hook, listing all articles that appear to be published before the shooting took place. Well ****, according to google this there are articles and videos from these dates talking about the shooting: Jan 14, 2012 , Jun 19, 2012 , Sept 16, 2012 ..well before the shooting took place. Debunked.
Addition: People keep bringing up the facebook page that was made prior to the shooting. The creator of the page said they had made an unrelated page previously, it had no fans in it. After the shootings took place, she renamed the page to be a memorial for one of the victims. This changed the URL, but kept the original creation date of the group. Many claim this is not possible or this is not how facebook works. Here is proof that it is: http://imgur.com/a/U6wWH

From: http://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comm...making/c7xjgzr

[Kostaskins]

The media need to just leave newtown. I drive by there everyday on route 25 going to work/ returning home and seeing them there isn't doing any good. They are just opening up the cut every time.

[GoSkins561]

Can someone point me to the point in the video where they show the .223 being pulled out of thw shooters car? If it exists?

[HogNose]

From: http://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comm...making/c7xjgzr

Thanks for posting this link. Hopefully this helps put these ridiculous conspiracy/ hoax/ cover-up theories to rest for some people.

Three may keep a secret, if two of them are dead. - Benjamin Franklin

[MattFancy]

Thanks for posting this link. Hopefully this helps put these ridiculous conspiracy/ hoax/ cover-up theories to rest for some people.

Three may keep a secret, if two of them are dead. - Benjamin Franklin

Exactly! You're basically asking an ENTIRE town to keep quiet. Plus all those people's family members and friends. Just doesn't seem likely.

[Jumbo]

There are few things more resistant to change than stupid (which is different than literal ignorance).

It's a very fundamental aspect of the construct.

This already strong component is then magnified when combined with egotism.

The egotism is usually compensation for insecurity experienced at whatever level of consciousness.

And that insecurity is often resulting from a rare occurrence of accurate self-assessment more "sensed" than understood.

[Fletch_Lives59]

Can someone point me to the point in the video where they show the .223 being pulled out of thw shooters car? If it exists?

its in here, 5:02 mark... http://youtu.be/Wx9GxXYKx_8

its night time by now so the background could be anywhere in the world and the video is shot from a helicopter....

[Special K]

Wow.

265+ posts in this thread; many of which are going in circles with "I'm just asking an honest question" to "here's the answer to your question, with links, dumbass" to "I'm just asking the EXACT SAME honest, patriotic question." Un-****ing-believable.

Perusing through this thread on a work break was a serious mistake on my part because the common sense and logical discernment that has failed to be employed on the part of so many posters in here is not only exasperating, but very concerning, to be completely honest.

Here's the deal, if you have failed to grasp the correct, hoax-refuting answers so kindly given to you by Bang, Corcaigh, Predicto, Dan, Jumbo and other kind posters in this thread who clearly have a much higher patience threshold than do I (bless your hearts guys, seriously, I don't know how you do it), you can place yourself in the "dumbass" column. Period. Stop saying anyone is "jumping" on you or throwing vitriolic posts your way or not allowing you to have a say in this debate. This is NOT even a debate, it's pure stupidity being batted down left and right by the Mother Teresa-patience level containing posters of this board

There ARE actually several intelligent discussions that can be had in relation to this topic, the most prominent of which probably being accuracy of news reporting during the immediate aftermath of a tragedy. Another side topic could be the level of immorality displayed by many of those in government (which no poster in here is refuting, but to jump from that fact and automatically apply it to this tragedy is again, "dumbassry"). Unfortunately, I have seen very few posts in this thread attempting to broach those subjects in even a minimally intelligent way.

Sorry, mods, for the harsh post here, but so many of the posts in here are so disgustingly stupid, I cannot contain myself anymore (and I've only had 2 cups of coffee, thank God not a whole pot like normal). It just disgusts me to see so many people throwing around such irresponsible accusations (I use the term irresponsible because they have been factually disputed and one - emotions of a distraught parent - even explained by a kind ES member who has lived through the loss of a child - thank you for your thoughtful insight, Popeman). Continuing to circularly voice these types of conspiracy theory agendas, IMO, only perpetuates 1. stupidity 2. irresponsible and destructive behavior (eg. the kind man who sheltered 6 children who ran to his home during the tragedy, the man seen extremely distraught in his TV interviews over the entire incident and what those innocent children had to witness...is now being harassed by horrible people and fears for his safety) 3. and the thwarting of actual attempts at resolving this matter on multiple levels - emotionally, community-awareness-wise, legislatively, etc.

For the record, I am not a complete naysayer in government conspiracies. I recognize that our government has, and continues to, engage in unethical, immoral, and horrendous behavior at times. And when there are legitimate questions that should be asked, I'm all for it as I am a very inquisitive person myself. But when bull**** theories like this don't even pass a 5-year-old's bull****-meter, I think some posters on here (and people on facebook and around this country) really need to ask themselves if what they are doing is responsible and how their perpetuation of this idiotic conspiracy theory is affecting others - namely victims and loved ones of this awful tragedy.