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[QUOTE=DogofWar1;9409792]Kleese, I understand what you want to bring to the team with a guy like Tebow, I just don't think Tebow is the guy to do it.
There is definitely value to a player who can block, run, pass, and catch, filling the role of FB, RB, QB, and WR. The ability to have someone in the backfield who can also go out wide and pass in a pinch is incredible. I don't think Tebow is that guy. I remember him running about trying to fill one of those roles in Denver in the first half of 2011, and he was very poor at it, and there has been nothing since then to indicate he's grown in ability.
Kleese fell off the wagon, I think.
The problem with Tebow is he has absolutely no speed or agility; finding that Kelvin Bryant-type player is not easy in today's game; at least finding someone who is actually good at all of them. Besides, the circus and negative publicity a.k.a. Jed Clampett-moving to Beverly Hills size baggage will make Philly look like childs play...
Let me address the most popular counters to my OP.
1. Tebow really isn't a special talent
That is simply where we agree to disagree. If he isn't, then of course it's a stupid idea to bring him in and try to turn him into something. It would fail. But I've always viewed Tebow as a very gifted football player that was just without an ideal position. He might not be all that fast... But for a guy that solid, he's pretty fast. He has always done well gaining yardage in space. I believe that he has fairly unique skills that given committment, he could help at team as a jack of all trades.
2. Why go after Tebow when we could just sign established players?
It's a legit question, but the whole idea is that he fulfills a multitude of roles, thus saving roster space and money. Again, this is of course assuming that I'm right and he is actually a GOOD FB/HB/TE. I also don't think we can afford to go out and sign many established skill position players (and unlike many of you, I think we NEED them). Instead, I like the idea of getting creative and rolling the dice.
3. Not worth the media circus
I've addressed this many times, but again, the majority of the circus stemmed from the fact that there was an argument over whether he should be the staring QB. The other options were Kyle Orton, Brady Quinn, Mark Sanchez, and Greg McElroy.... So you can see why there would be controversy. Here, there would be none of that. There would likely be a little frenzy in he beginning which would fade quickly when everyone realized there was no story to tell.
Kleese, I agree and disagree with you at the same time.
I would welcome Tebow as the 3rd QB because our offense suits him more then any other offense in the NFL.
But, imho Tebow would be worthless as a positionless hybrid player.
We have Robert Griffin III. We have a certified, bonafide, awesome, elite caliber talent at quarterback who can play the position in ways never dreamed of.
We also have a pretty damn talented running back in Alfred Morris, who runs those tackles, lowers his head to truck people, but also has elusiveness and a quickness that little people thought he would have.
Together, these two have helped the Redskins create one of the most potent offenses in the NFL.
...Why would you want to take the ball out of their hands to give it to Tim Tebow on some gimmick play?
You keep saying he can do so much, but he literally can not do anything better than the guys we currently have can. He can't play quarterback as effectively as Robert Griffin III, or even Kirk Cousins. He can't run the ball as effectively as Alfred Morris. He can't pass protect on first down. He can't be a lead blocker better than Darrel Young, who was the best full back in our division and one of the best lead blocking fullbacks in the league, and he can't catch the way DY can. He can't run routes the same way Pierre Garcon or Josh Morgan or Santana Moss can, he can't play in-line tight end as well as Logan or split out wide like Fred Davis.
Where is proof of this "jack-of-all-trades" skillset you speak of? The Broncos and the Jets both tried to make him a jack of all trades, and it didn't work. We don't need established players. We can go out in the draft and find any number of players that can do what Tebow can do.
Tebow's best success has come as the truest definition of a running quarterback. If we were going to sign him---which we shouldn't---it should only be as a quarterback, and he should warm the bench and chill in street clothes like Rex did most of the season. Trying to turn Tebow into this Swiss Army knife player isn't worth it, especially when there's basically zero guarantee that the time you waste try to turn him into something he's not and has never been will pay off.
And whether you like to admit it or not, the media scrutinty surrounding Tebow is a real thing. Especially with Robert coming off an injury. You can pretend that the media would suddenly forget Tebow was on our football team after a while. But that's not the case. Remember what happened when we drafted Kirk? Imagine that times twenty. "Do the Redskins not think RG3 is healthy enough to play by the season opener? Are the Redskins down on Kirk Cousins? What role will Tebow play in th eoffense, what packages will they allow him to be on?", all summer for an entire summer.
And all is this is made even more moot since Kyle was lukewarm on Tebow coming out, at best.
"Washington strolled to the NFC championship, outscoring their two playoff opponents by a combined total of 48 points. Their domination was more than impressive, it was historic. The 1991 Redskins boasted the largest average margin of victory among all Super Bowl champions."
--- America's Game
We have no real reason to believe he has any ability to block, catch passes or play special teams, even assuming he is finally ready to accept that that is his path to an NFL career. He sells enough tickets that he will surely demand well more than the minimum and if he is any good at this new role he will become an expensive re-sign. Very expensive. So not much upsiide in the long-term. Add to that the circus, and imagine RG3 goes down with an injury and Cousins has a bad game.
Just no thanks.
MY main interest in Tebow is as an insurance policy if RG3 is not 100%. I absolutely would want Cousins to start but I believe there would be 12 snaps a game for Tebow to come in...sometimes in the backfield with Cousins at QB... sometimes taking his own snaps in the red zone. The guys is tough as nails and an asset to any team. Rex Ryan is an idiot and the only reason he refused to put Tebow in at the end so it wouldn't be proven that he should have been in the whole season.
For 2 million a year I say we bring this kid on board. Media circus schmircus!
I gets dizzying just imagining RGB and TT1 in the SAME back field along with AF1!!!
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The ONLY situation where Tebow would be a viable option is if they didn't have a franchise QB which they do or if they didn't have a capable backup which they also do. They even decent veteran third stringer with Grossman as bad as he is.
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