NFL.com: Ed Reed: RG3 prepared Ravens for Colin Kaepernick

[bobbi3stix]

@Justice98- I am not "nitpicking". The comparing of the 2 in regards to their offensive schemes and ability is what I'm talking about. Without going back and looking, I don't recall mentioning ANYthing with stats. Stats are easily misleading and more times than not, are. Caomparing Luck and everything else, not only is that something else I haven't done but it's apples and oranges.

Leading up to the Super Bowl, all the comparisons to RGIII were made by the "experts" and media. That is where "silly" comes in, because Kap does not have RGIII's skills or talent- in any capacity.

How does he not get the same results? I dunno, maybe beating a common opponent?

[pjfootballer]

The playcalling was atrocious. This is what I would have called, assuming it gets to 4th down:

1st down on the 7- Gore needed a breather. I would have ran the ball like they did, but out of a more traditional look with the FB. I think with this, you get 4 yards instead of 2 and you're now 2nd a goal on the 3.

2nd down on the 3- Bring Gore back in and run the Pistol Zone Read. At worse, you get a yard, maybe 2 or even score. Ravens had Ngata out. Let's say they gain 2 yards on a QB keeper off the ZR.

3rd and goal at the 1- This really puts the Ravens in a bind. You could fake the run and try and hit Vernon Davis on a seam route. I think the Niners score here, but let's say they don't and it's 4th down.

4th and goal at the 1- Again, the defense is on their heels because you have the option of running or throwing. I would go pistol, 4 wide, spread the defense out and tell Kaep, if you don't see anything on your first 2 reads, run it in.

[bobbi3stix]

The playcalling was atrocious. This is what I would have called, assuming it gets to 4th down:

1st down on the 7- Gore needed a breather. I would have ran the ball like they did, but out of a more traditional look with the FB. I think with this, you get 4 yards instead of 2 and you're now 2nd a goal on the 3.

2nd down on the 3- Bring Gore back in and run the Pistol Zone Read. At worse, you get a yard, maybe 2 or even score. Ravens had Ngata out. Let's say they gain 2 yards on a QB keeper off the ZR.

3rd and goal at the 1- This really puts the Ravens in a bind. You could fake the run and try and hit Vernon Davis on a seam route. I think the Niners score here, but let's say they don't and it's 4th down.

4th and goal at the 1- Again, the defense is on their heels because you have the option of running or throwing. I would go pistol, 4 wide, spread the defense out and tell Kaep, if you don't see anything on your first 2 reads, run it in.

Well the Ravens were going to die with the blitz and they showed this much at the end, so by the time he made his 2nd read... Game's over..

[justice98]

I think the end results are all that matters in a bottom line business. If we're talking about results, stats and wins are the tangible results. This notion that it's not even a debate is pure homerism. There's no clear winners here.

I don't think this part even matters either, but humoring you for a minute, they share some common opponents, and lost some and won some against the same people. So that doesn't prove anything. For instance, RG3 lost to Atl (at home), Kap beat Atl in the championship game (on the road). RG3 beat the Giants, Kap lost to the Giants. They both beat New Orleans. And RG3 was losing the Ravens game when he went out, so that's an incomplete. What common opponent are you referring to?

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Well the Ravens were going to die with the blitz and they showed this much at the end, so by the time he made his 2nd read... Game's over..

No. Not if you watch it again. He could have retreated 5 yards and rolled to the right (basically the reverse of the play he scored on earlier in the game). At that point, he's out by himself and he either can score or force a DB to come get him while he throws to the vacated WR.

Edit...I realize that I'm second-guessing a split-second decision. I'm not really bashing Kap, just mentioning what might have worked given the play-call. He threw the ball way too early on the final two snaps.

[bobbi3stix]

I think the end results are all that matters in a bottom line business. If we're talking about results, stats and wins are the tangible results. This notion that it's not even a debate is pure homerism. There's no clear winners here.

I don't think this part even matters either, but humoring you for a minute, they share some common opponents, and lost some and won some against the same people. So that doesn't prove anything. For instance, RG3 lost to Atl (at home), Kap beat Atl in the championship game (on the road). RG3 beat the Giants, Kap lost to the Giants. They both beat New Orleans. And RG3 was losing the Ravens game when he went out, so that's an incomplete. What common opponent are you referring to?

Humoring me? lol... Kap didn't lose to the Giants, he got his ass kicked (AT HOME). But you want to not give credit for the Ravens game, but fail to mention the Falcons game RGIII was put out on a potential go ahead drive around the their 10 yd line? Their performances against New Orleans are comparable? Are you serious?

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No. Not if you watch it again. He could have retreated 5 yards and rolled to the right (basically the reverse of the play he scored on earlier in the game). At that point, he's out by himself and he either can score or force a DB to come get him while he throws to the vacated WR.

Edit...I realize that I'm second-guessing a split-second decision. I'm not really bashing Kap, just mentioning what might have worked given the play-call. He threw the ball way too early on the final two snaps.

I recall them bringing pressure the last drive, but I'll take your word for it.

[justice98]

Humoring me? lol... Kap didn't lose to the Giants, he got his ass kicked (AT HOME). But you want to not give credit for the Ravens game, but fail to mention the Falcons game RGIII was put out on a potential go ahead drive around the their 10 yd line? Their performances against New Orleans are comparable? Are you serious?

You can't give RG3 credit for something that didn't happen. Potential go ahead drives aren't actual go ahead drives. You can't assume a TD there.

But I see what I'm dealing with. Kaepernick wasn't even the starter in the Giant game, Alex Smith was. So explain how you're gonna claim Kaepernick got his ass kicked? He played 9 snaps in that game (and 7 of 'em were in the last 2 minutes of the game).

[bobbi3stix]

You can't give RG3 credit for something that didn't happen. Potential go ahead drives aren't actual go ahead drives. You can't assume a TD there.

But I see what I'm dealing with. Kaepernick wasn't even the starter in the Giant game, Alex Smith was. So explain how you're gonna claim Kaepernick got his ass kicked? He played 9 snaps in that game (and 7 of 'em were in the last 2 minutes of the game).

I didn't know Kap was or wasn't in the game against the Giants YOU brought that game up.

[darrelgreenie]

I love my main man Griffin, its ironic and dissappointing to hear some of our fans kill Kaep.
Makes me wonder what they would think of Griffin if he wasn't our QB?
Kaep and Griffin are very similar in skillset, playing style and in scheme.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I recall them bringing pressure the last drive, but I'll take your word for it.

They did...you're right. Up the middle. Which means that the QB had an opportunity to roll out to avoid it.

[ouvan59]

That's two different things. No way RG3 doesn't score, or no way RG3 doesn't score even with those play calls. Even RG3 can't always overcome questionable play calling, so if he'd got saddled with those plays, who knows what would've happened.

I'd agree although Kaepernick seemed to panic a little on both the two point conversion and the final play.

[Hooper]

I love my main man Griffin, its ironic and dissappointing to hear some of our fans kill Kaep.
Makes me wonder what they would think of Griffin if he wasn't our QB?
Kaep and Griffin are very similar in skillset, playing style and in scheme.

I hear ya. They are both tremendous talents with great careers ahead of them.

Man, if only RG3 had the size of Kap though.

[darrelgreenie]

I hear ya. They are both tremendous talents with great careers ahead of them.

Man, if only RG3 had the size of Kap though.

I have full faith that Griffin can and will learn how to protect himself better.
For me I don't think it was a difference in size that caused Griff to get banged up but a difference in awareness (when/how/why to get down and avoid contact).

[NLC1054]

I love my main man Griffin, its ironic and dissappointing to hear some of our fans kill Kaep.
Makes me wonder what they would think of Griffin if he wasn't our QB?
Kaep and Griffin are very similar in skillset, playing style and in scheme.

It's fatigue.

For the better part of the last two week (hell, longer than that) we've heard about how awesome the pistol and read-option are and how Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick and the Niners and Seahawks basically innovated this offense with nary a mention of RG3. And part of that is just that he got hurt and the Redskins were knocked out of the playoffs, but it's been one of the more frustrating aspects of the last month or so of football. Neither or those teams ran that offense until the mid point of the season.

It's hard when all season long you hear about how simple our offense is and how that was used as a knock on RG3's great rookie season, and then the playoffs happen, and two teams that didn't even use the offense until we had success with it get credited as innovators and all the talk about how "simple" they make it for Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick isn't there. It's even more frustrating when you consider that the Seahawks and 49ers didn't have as many elements in their pistol offenses as we had in ours.

It's the compounding of a heap of credit being put on the Niners for adopting this offense while also saying that RG3 played in a simple offense, not to mention a lot of Niners and Seahawks fans bad mouthing RG3 just ultimately effects everyone's viewpoint. Not fair really, but at this point, I'm happy the season is over so I don't have to deal with the talk anymore.

[pjfootballer]

Good stuff NLC. Wholeheartedly agree with every word. It's been pissing me off listening to that for the past 3 weeks.