Redskins 2013 Salary Cap (Check OP for Updates)

[JamesMadisonSkins]

I'm far from a cap expert ... but here are a couple things I noticed that we could do:

1) Release Jamaal Brown and get $1.5 million immediately
2) Release Santana Moss and save $4.65 million
3) Extend Josh Wilson and get year 1 of the new contract down to around $3 million ... saving $2 mill
4) Restructure and extend DeAngelo Hall ... get year 1 on the new contract in the $3.5 mill range ... save $3.5 million (or outright release him and get $7 million in relief)
5) Release Reid Doughty and save $1.15 million. Assuming safety is addressed strongly this off-season there is no room for Doughty on next year's team

I calculate that as being $12.8 million by restructuring DHall or $16.3 million by outright releasing him. I have no idea on the accuracy of the Moss number, as I just deducted his base salary from the 2013 projected cap hit of $6 million so correct me if I'm wrong. But if we are starting with around $2-4 million in space as is, and we are able to do those moves I listed above, we could be in the range of $14-20 million under the cap ... which would be plenty of room to get our restricted guys and a couple "Bowen/Cofield" type free agents

The bottom line is this front office has managed to get in a position to do most of the things they want each year ... so I trust that they will get into a position to make some good signings.

I really want Aqib Talib and if that means restructuring Josh Wilson and releasing DHall, so be it. I'd love to keep DHall and sign Talib if possible, too. Anyone have a guess as to what kind of contract he will command? I wouldn't mind having Tanard Jackson and Aqib Talib in the secondary with Raheem Morris as the coach.

[Alcoholic Zebra]

I'm far from a cap expert ... but here are a couple things I noticed that we could do:

1) Release Jamaal Brown and get $1.5 million immediately
2) Release Santana Moss and save $4.65 million
3) Extend Josh Wilson and get year 1 of the new contract down to around $3 million ... saving $2 mill
4) Restructure and extend DeAngelo Hall ... get year 1 on the new contract in the $3.5 mill range ... save $3.5 million (or outright release him and get $7 million in relief)
5) Release Reid Doughty and save $1.15 million. Assuming safety is addressed strongly this off-season there is no room for Doughty on next year's team

I really want Aqib Talib and if that means restructuring Josh Wilson and releasing DHall, so be it. I'd love to keep DHall and sign Talib if possible, too. Anyone have a guess as to what kind of contract he will command? I wouldn't mind having Tanard Jackson and Aqib Talib in the secondary with Raheem Morris as the coach.

1) Reasonable
2) He's also our 2nd most reliable WR right now. Big 3rd down guy and led our WR's in TD's. This one hurts and not just from a sentimental view.
3) Reasonable
4) Reasonable
5) Why? We have Pugh (eh), Bernstine (coming off major injury), Gomes (looking like a bust), Meriweather (hoping he stays healthy), and Doughty. Those are our safeties. Unless Gomes does better, he might not make the team next year.

Madieu and Tanard Jackson are FA's. Tanard has been out of football for a year, and who knows where/how he's been training or if he even has been. I do not think we will bring him back, and that's even IF the league decides to lift his suspension.

So you're suggesting we roll the dice on health at Safety? The only safety we have that's good on teams is Doughty.

Last paragraph) Forget Tanard for the reasons stated above. As soon as Raheem Morris is offered a DC job, he's leaving, so we can't count on him to stay. Why Aqib Talib? Why not other corners? I suggest we do not break the bank on one guy. He'll get offers.

[JamesMadisonSkins]

1) Reasonable
2) He's also our 2nd most reliable WR right now. Big 3rd down guy and led our WR's in TD's. This one hurts and not just from a sentimental view.
3) Reasonable
4) Reasonable
5) Why? We have Pugh (eh), Bernstine (coming off major injury), Gomes (looking like a bust), Meriweather (hoping he stays healthy), and Doughty. Those are our safeties. Unless Gomes does better, he might not make the team next year.

Madieu and Tanard Jackson are FA's. Tanard has been out of football for a year, and who knows where/how he's been training or if he even has been. I do not think we will bring him back, and that's even IF the league decides to lift his suspension.

So you're suggesting we roll the dice on health at Safety? The only safety we have that's good on teams is Doughty.

Last paragraph) Forget Tanard for the reasons stated above. As soon as Raheem Morris is offered a DC job, he's leaving, so we can't count on him to stay. Why Aqib Talib? Why not other corners? I suggest we do not break the bank on one guy. He'll get offers.

Good points. On Santana, I love him as a Skin and would like to keep him around until he officially loses a step ... but not at $6 million a year. Maybe we can restructure him, and I'm sure he would be okay with that idea.

As for Jackson, I was under the impression that we signed him to a 2 year deal. I guess I'm wrong on that, but read somewhere that we signed him knowing he would be suspended and, thus, signed him, more or less, for his services in 2013.

I'm also working under the impression that the Redskins draft a safety early and address it in FA. I think we'd keep Gomes over Doughty and Gomes, Merriweather, FA Safety, and drafted S are enough to carry, I think, with someone like Pugh as a 5th safety. But for $1.15 million, you're right, he may be worth keeping around.

As for Talib, when he has his head on straight he is a beast. I think he may come relatively cheap, and if Raheem Morris is still on the staff, there's the obvious connection there. Talib is still young (26), and a big, strong corner with a lot of upside. He fits the mold of the type of player the Skins have pursued in FA lately. I also think his "past" will prevent him from commanding what he probably deserves.

[Darth Tater]

I'm far from a cap expert ... but here are a couple things I noticed that we could do:

1) Release Jamaal Brown and get $1.5 million immediately
2) Release Santana Moss and save $4.65 million
3) Extend Josh Wilson and get year 1 of the new contract down to around $3 million ... saving $2 mill
4) Restructure and extend DeAngelo Hall ... get year 1 on the new contract in the $3.5 mill range ... save $3.5 million (or outright release him and get $7 million in relief)
5) Release Reid Doughty and save $1.15 million. Assuming safety is addressed strongly this off-season there is no room for Doughty on next year's team

I calculate that as being $12.8 million by restructuring DHall or $16.3 million by outright releasing him. I have no idea on the accuracy of the Moss number, as I just deducted his base salary from the 2013 projected cap hit of $6 million so correct me if I'm wrong. But if we are starting with around $2-4 million in space as is, and we are able to do those moves I listed above, we could be in the range of $14-20 million under the cap ... which would be plenty of room to get our restricted guys and a couple "Bowen/Cofield" type free agents

The bottom line is this front office has managed to get in a position to do most of the things they want each year ... so I trust that they will get into a position to make some good signings.

I really want Aqib Talib and if that means restructuring Josh Wilson and releasing DHall, so be it. I'd love to keep DHall and sign Talib if possible, too. Anyone have a guess as to what kind of contract he will command? I wouldn't mind having Tanard Jackson and Aqib Talib in the secondary with Raheem Morris as the coach.

With the exception of Brown, for the other releases you discussed, the replacement would cost the same. No net cap savings.

[rk3025]

With no $18 million penalty we could have signed Bouldin and won the super bowl.

[Alcoholic Zebra]

With no $18 million penalty we could have signed Bouldin and won the super bowl.

No we couldn't have. The Ravens traded for Boldin, then immediately gave him a contract extension, he was never a Free Agent.

[rk3025]

Thanks for correcting me as I thought he was a free agent.
How about putting a claim in for Young wr Lions.?
We need to start making more 3rd downs and Kyle might get his head on right.

[MrJL]

I disagree strongly on Gomes. I thought he played very well in the second half. And frankly, I'd rather release Merriweather and Doughty save their salaries. Though Doughty does always find a way to stay on.

I would also work on extending Orakpo, but re-working it so his salary next year is lower, and adjust Trent Williams' salary. It's significantly lower than last year over the next few years. It was eight digits this year, somthing like 11-13 million. If we can afford that last year we can afford it on a year with a full cap. So, bump him down a few million next year and tack it on later.

[Alcoholic Zebra]

I disagree strongly on Gomes. I thought he played very well in the second half. And frankly, I'd rather release Merriweather and Doughty save their salaries. Though Doughty does always find a way to stay on.

You sure you're not thinking of someone else?

Because he barely played. He was getting fewer and fewer snaps, the coaches did not like his performance.

Week 13 - 32% of defensive snaps
Week 14 - 18% of defensive snaps
Week 15 - 17% of defensive snaps
Week 16 - 12% of defensive snaps
Week 17 - Did not enter the game
Playoff game - Only played special teams

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I would also work on extending Orakpo, but re-working it so his salary next year is lower, and adjust Trent Williams' salary. It's significantly lower than last year over the next few years. It was eight digits this year, somthing like 11-13 million. If we can afford that last year we can afford it on a year with a full cap. So, bump him down a few million next year and tack it on later.

Orakpo is too risky to do this early because of his pectoral problems.

Trent's contract is basically already restructured for us. If we try and restructure it so soon, the cap hit would become MONSTROUS in later years. It would kill our team.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washingto...rent-williams/

[SamoaSkinz]

This word restructure is how we got into cap hell in the first place during Gibbs and Vinny years. Now we are going through restructures again, making the back end of alot of our player salaries a nightmare.

Now I know Allen is the cap man but lets be more frugal and smart this time around instead of doing the same thing again that eventually led to the $36m penalty we are in now.

Tone down the spending and target only the needs based on the $$$ we have available. Lets absorb the $18m cap hit and emerge from next year intact and ready to spend and move forward.

[MrJL]

This word restructure is how we got into cap hell in the first place during Gibbs and Vinny years. Now we are going through restructures again, making the back end of alot of our player salaries a nightmare.

Now I know Allen is the cap man but lets be more frugal and smart this time around instead of doing the same thing again that eventually led to the $36m penalty we are in now.

Tone down the spending and target only the needs based on the $$$ we have available. Lets absorb the $18m cap hit and emerge from next year intact and ready to spend and move forward.

that would be fine except we have basically no $$$ available right now

[chipwhich]

The 2nd contract signed by McNabb had ZERO effect on our cap. We haven't paid McNugget anything the last 2 years. You're wrong on this. Haynesworth on the other hand....

I never said anything on Cap space, he asked when the last spending spree was

Point being, this cap penalty will allow the team to develop talent and have cap room when the team is really ready to compete.

Griffin has a good season, and the Vinnie in the board rears it's ugly head. Go get him Danny, lets break out the Redskins One tracker.

I like the cap penalty. We actually have to act like a real NFL franchise and have a budget and plan carefully who to pick up :-)

[Bifflog]

I never said anything on Cap space, he asked when the last spending spree was

Point being, this cap penalty will allow the team to develop talent and have cap room when the team is really ready to compete.

Griffin has a good season, and the Vinnie in the board rears it's ugly head. Go get him Danny, lets break out the Redskins One tracker.

I like the cap penalty. We actually have to act like a real NFL franchise and have a budget and plan carefully who to pick up :-)

So you want the current regime hogtied on purpose, to protect it from itself. Zero confidence in the guys in charge then?

Why not increase the penalty then, since that'll mean Superbowl right? Maybe we don't even need a full 53 man roster, that'd really force us to choose wisely on personnel.

Long story short, your mantra about how good this penalty is ****ing bugs the everlovin' **** out of me.

[chipwhich]

So you want the current regime hogtied on purpose, to protect it from itself. Zero confidence in the guys in charge then?

Why not increase the penalty then, since that'll mean Superbowl right? Maybe we don't even need a full 53 man roster, that'd really force us to choose wisely on personnel.

Long story short, your mantra about how good this penalty is ****ing bugs the everlovin' **** out of me.

As I posted earlier for your review, it's the kid in the candy store syndrome. It's irresistible. I would be curious if any GM/Coach in the NFL has cart blanch to spend whatever possible as long as it fits into the cap.

It's not about trust, it's about boundaries. If I were king, I would have Danny make boundaries with the FA splash. Even Gibbs II was soiled by the open check book.

And trust me, the free agent train was ready to roll had the penalty not hit. So the people in charge showed they were prepared to spend.

Our team is not in a position where we need a gaggle of free agents to make the superbowl. We really are in year 1 of establishing a new tradition.

[MrJL]

Cap hell(not the current punishment) did not result from restructuring under Cerrato. Cap hell resulted from signing the wrong guys, guys so bad they had to be cut, so that massive amounts ended up moved forward, instead of with them able to restructure at the end of their contracts, or simply be let go with no real consequences. None of the guys people are talking about extending are so old that their careers won't reach that long, or playing that poorly.

The Redskins have players to re-sign or we will have more holes to fill, and I would say we could use 3-5 new guys beyond them. Now the draft could provide new talent, but with the top pick gone I think it's presumptuous to expect more than two impact guys from it, and it will have to also fill any new holes we get from losing people.