Percy Harvin on the trade block

[SemperFi Skins]

Bill Simmons promotes the idea (and its not his he just writes about it frequently) that as an NFL team playing on the field concerning FGs, 4th and short and 2 point conversions, you as an offense should always do what the other team wouldn't want you to do. Mind blowing I know, but it makes sense. Think of what the other team fears, if they are breathing a sigh of relief that you are kicking a FG on 4th and goal from the 2 then you are probably letting an opportunity slip by and should just take your chances going for it.

Other defenses would literally **** their pants if we added Harvin. DCoordinators would not know what to do. We would be so versatile, fast and deadly. This is far beyond what Green Bay, the Saints and even the Patriots do on offense because of our effective our running game is compared to theirs. And none of them are lining up Garcon and Harvin in their WR sets. It would literally be a pick your poison scenario far beyond what we saw last year.

A move like this and what it does for our offense makes our defense better already. We would still be able to sure up the Safety spots and add some key players in the draft where needed too.

Good post. I'm sick of hearing of his "injury issues" and "he's a headcase." It's all too far fetched. Minnesota is dysfunctional and I'm sure he's not the only one pissed off in the locker room.

Something I want people to remember... He had 11 receptions for 133 yards against us, this year and was listed as a top performer...

Word is, Patriots are extremely interested in him... I'd rather be smarter than Belicheat for the first time and pick this guy up before we lose the opportunity. I certainly do not want to play against him.

[SkinsCrushCowboys]

Scoring points did not seem to be an issue for us. Tana had a better season that he did. 20 TD's in 4 season, not worth trading away multiple picks for. He averages a little over 11 yards a catch. We have too many other needs to be chasing another WR. Not because of him being a "head case" or "injury concerns" because WR is not our biggest need right now.

He did have 11 catches for over 100 against us. What does that tell you? We need defensive help.

I hope we don't get into the bidding war for this guy.

Hail

[Lavarleap56]

NO.....

You don't want a guy who threw weights at Brad Childress..

You don't want a guy who texted back & forth with Randy Moss daily plotting how to get Childress fired.

You don't want a guy who was put on IR because of his "attitude" toward coach Fraiser.

You don't want a guy who constantly complains he doesn't get the ball enough. RGIII is a equal opportunity QB who spreads the ball around.

You don't trade a 2nd and 4th the year after you traded 3 picks for Robert Griffin III.

You don't trade for a guy who you have to give a new contract to right away so he stays happy with the current state of the salary cap.

This is the type of deal Vinny Cerrato would have already offered 2 first round picks for and bragged to the media about it.

The talent is enticing but that talent comes with big RISK. Not happening.

[SemperFi Skins]

He's someone you have to account for on every play and look to see where he is lined up. Our back 4 were far from good but that does not take anything away from the fact that he is just a nightmare for the best defenses. You don't just find "Percy Harvins" in every draft. He's a blue chip player and a legit game changer.

We are a contender. Our WR's are decent but every team can use an upgrade like Harvin. He's everything we've built this offense around - young, speed, yac.

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NO.....

This is the type of deal Vinny Cerrato would have already offered 2 first round picks for and bragged to the media about it.
.

Far from it... Harvin is not over 30 and declining... In fact, Harvin would be the complete opposite of a Vinny signing.

Do I think there's a chance he comes here, probably slim to none. But I would do it in a heartbeat.

---------- Post added February-11th-2013 at 11:33 AM ----------

Percy Harvin - WR - Vikings The Minneapolis Star-Tribune expects the Vikings to gauge trade interest in Percy Harvin at next week's Scouting Combine.
Specifically, beat writer Dan Wiederer expects the Vikings to "cast a few Harvin-baited hooks into the waters and see if there are any nibbles." However, Wiederer stops short of confirming Harvin is on the block. Both GM Rick Spielman and coach Leslie Frazier have publicly insisted they want Harvin back with the team in 2013. If Harvin is truly on the market, the Vikings won't need to rush things with one of the league's most dynamic young players.

http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football?rw=1

[Skinsinparadise]

Far from it... Harvin is not over 30 and declining... In fact, Harvin would be the complete opposite of a Vinny signing.

Early Vinny was more about making bad trades for veterans, later Vinny was more about making bad trades for a mix of youth and veterans. A good apples to apples comparison might be Brandon Lloyd. He had attitude issues in SF. But heck SF were a bad team and he's a young emerging player. They traded two picks for him ala the TJ Duckett deal. Attitude problems came with Lloyd to DC, they didn't go away.

[mistertim]

Far from it... Harvin is not over 30 and declining... In fact, Harvin would be the complete opposite of a Vinny signing.

What about the other points LL brought up? I think they're pretty valid.

[SemperFi Skins]

What about the other points LL brought up? I think they're pretty valid.

it's an opinion, which differs from mine.

I do not see Harvin as a headcase. Most athletes are primadonas in their own way. They are young guys with a ton of money. Doesn't take away anything from the fact he's a tremendous athlete and show's it on the field.

Their offense is centered around A.P. and Kyle Rudolph... You can bet he'd be targeted here. If he was such a bad guy, why would the GM and coach publicly insist that they want him back on the team?

[Momma There Goes That Man]

Early Vinny was more about making bad trades for veterans, later Vinny was more about making bad trades for a mix of youth and veterans. A good apples to apples comparison might be Brandon Lloyd. He had attitude issues in SF. But heck SF were a bad team and he's a young emerging player. They traded two picks for him ala the TJ Duckett deal. Attitude problems came with Lloyd to DC, they didn't go away.

Thats not a very fair comparison. The team as currently assembled is light years beyond what Lloyd came into. Plus Lloyd never had the gamebreaking talent that Harvin does and has repeatedly shown ever since his rookie year.

You can't compare this to a Vinny trade because the team, coaches and culture is much better suited to take a chance on a guy like Harvin than they ever were under Vinny. Lloyd would not have put us over the top. Harvin could be that guy.

[skinnyskins]

I'd gladly take him only under the circumstances:

He gladly takes on blocking assignments. All of our receivers block well and with enthusiasm. Im not sure how good his blocking is so somebody would need to address this.

We would get him for no higher than a 4th round pick and would be cheap towards our cap. Neither of which I see happening. Perhaps we can trade Morgan/Hankerson and a high pick but I doubt it.

He needs to get his head on straight. We don't need a distraction in the locker room.

[Momma There Goes That Man]

NO.....

The talent is enticing but that talent comes with big RISK. Not happening.

All your points are very valid and legitimate but what is the worst that could happen? We bring him in and he is a headcase or it isn't working out we can trade him. There will be plenty of contenders who think they are a Harvin away from going to the SB I don't necessarily think it would be that difficult to trade him midseason if it isn't working. See the market for Talib midseason this year. He had injury concerns, attitude/off field issues and was also in the last year of his contract.

And he isn't nearly the player Harvin is. Yeah we might end up swapping a higher pick for a lower one if it doesn't work out but its not that terrible. I think the team is constructed well enough right now that we can take a chance like this when the potential is as high as it is.

[Taylor 36]

What about the other points LL brought up? I think they're pretty valid.

Why bother debating the points and facts that destroy your argument, right? If he/she doesn't respond, they'll magically disappear and make them not true.

And the kid has been a headcase since at least high school. I teach in Virginia Beach and have several very good/close friends over at Landstown High, where Percy went. It is mind boggling the **** this kid would do and pull in school, but their principal and coach at the time covered everything up for their star athlete. The kid has been allowed to do whatever he wants his entire life; it is no wonder he is a head case and such a malcontent. I don't want him anywhere near our team. We will do fine without him.

[mistertim]

it's an opinion, which differs from mine.

I do not see Harvin as a headcase. Most athletes are primadonas in their own way. They are young guys with a ton of money. Doesn't take away anything from the fact he's a tremendous athlete and show's it on the field.

Their offense is centered around A.P. and Kyle Rudolph... You can bet he'd be targeted here. If he was such a bad guy, why would the GM and coach publicly insist that they want him back on the team?

I dunno, some of that stuff has been pretty corroborated as far as I've heard but I suppose if you don't like it you can just say its an "opinion" and dismiss it. For me there is just too much smoke for there not to be some kind of fire. Sure, most young athletes can be prima donnas at times but there is a difference between a guy who thinks he is all that and is cocky, etc but still works hard at his job, does what the coaches tell him, doesn't get into fights with management and coaches, and is a team player and a guy who gets in shouting matches with coaches, has loud hissy fits about not getting the ball enough, etc etc.

As far as why the GM and coach would publicly insist that they want him back on the team...they want to get something for him. If they came out and said "Jesus, this guy is nothing but a pain in our ass. Please, please someone take him off of our hands we can't deal with it anymore" they would have zero leverage. They need teams to think that they will have to entice the Vikes into giving up a guy they still want so they can get decent picks for him.

[SemperFi Skins]

Why bother debating the points and facts that destroy your argument, right? If he/she doesn't respond, they'll magically disappear and make them not true.

And the kid has been a headcase since at least high school. I teach in Virginia Beach and have several very good/close friends over at Landstown High, where Percy went. It is mind boggling the **** this kid would do and pull in school, but their principal and coach at the time covered everything up for their star athlete. The kid has been allowed to do whatever he wants his entire life; it is no wonder he is a head case and such a malcontent. I don't want him anywhere near our team. We will do fine without him.

I wrote a response a few up from your, my friend... You'd be naive to think that most athletes are not like this. It happens in all schools, from the beginning of time.. Ever wonder why our own Dexter Manley couldn't read???

This is nothing new and it will likely never change. Athletes are held to a standard of sports and that. is. it... Of course there are exceptions to every rule, like RG3, who actually obtain a degree and attend class.

We signed Donte Stallworth who was in jail for vehicular manslaughter... But no, don't sign Harvin... he might put shaving cream on a sleeping teammates face and tickle him with a feather

[Taylor 36]

it's an opinion, which differs from mine.

I do not see Harvin as a headcase.

No, most of what he stated are facts, not opinions. Look up the words if you need help with the differences between them. And, just because you don't see Harvin as a headcase doesn't mean that he's not.

All your points are very valid and legitimate but what is the worst that could happen? We bring him in and he is a headcase or it isn't working out we can trade him.

Seriously? You want us to give up an arm and a leg for a guy, wasting limited picks that should be spent on needs, waste valuable time by putting off getting the pieces we do need here and in the system, and then think after that we could just go out an recoup all of that with a trade of the player when he doesn't work out and kills the cohesiveness that we are starting to build in our locker room?

[Darkstarr]

No need to waste what little resources the skins have on a wr. Skins wr's atm are fine. let's use the resources to bolster the back end of our defense not wr plz.