Percy Harvin on the trade block

[skinsarel33t]

A full season with a health Garcon and Harvin.....Damn....

the keyword is Healthy and I don't think that Harvin has ever been healthy a full season.

With that being said I would say that he is worth a 3rd round pick. Nothing more than that we have too many holes. He is more of a luxury.

[mistertim]

I really just don't see why so many of you think he will be had for even a semi-cheap price, pick wise. The Vikings are going to try and recoup as much as they can. Even with his history and the fact that the Vikings seem to want to get rid of him he is one of the most dynamic playmakers in the NFL and he is only 24 years old. I think the Vikings will ask for at least a 2nd and they'll probably get it.

It would be nice to have him but its a risky proposition considering his physical as well as attitude issues and how much it would cost. I'd rather spend that (admittedly theoretical) 2nd rounder on a high quality CB or FS if possible.

[MLSKINS]

Man Harvin is the exact type of receiver we could use... But we don't need it to be Harvin.

[Hiro]

I really just don't see why so many of you think he will be had for even a semi-cheap price, pick wise. The Vikings are going to try and recoup as much as they can. Even with his history and the fact that the Vikings seem to want to get rid of him he is one of the most dynamic playmakers in the NFL and he is only 24 years old. I think the Vikings will ask for at least a 2nd and they'll probably get it.

I'm not for the trade, but I'm not so sure Percy Harvin will command that much. Considering that the deal would be a one-year rental, Harvin's migraine issues (although they seem to be resolved, they could still come back) and his bad behavior, I don't know how much the Vikings can expect to get from him. They'll ask for a high pick for sure, but I think he'll go for cheap.

Keep in mind that Santonio Holmes, a Super Bowl hero who had a much better statistical year than Harvin prior to him being traded, only netted a 5th round pick and he also was in the final year of his deal.

[J-bomb]

Twitter saying:

"ECStoner: Wow. MT @SteveBateman99: Talk in Minnesota says Percy Harvin can leave for a 2nd and 4th round pick."
--http://twitter.com/ECStoner/status/300769183501791233



I personally would rather draft the next harvin, guys like a ace sanders, archer or ellington...

edit I see archer has decided to return to kent st but there are rb/wr combo types in this draft lets get our own!

[Rufus T Firefly]

Two 3rds is not a steep price for someone young and proven, who was drafted in the 1st a couple years ago and exceeded expectations. .

Yeah, if you ignore health issues, cap cost and attitude issues it sounds great. Of course, we could make lots of trades sound great if we ignore the downside to them.

Regarding cap space, are other teams unable to pay for two good WRs? Harvin isn't going to get $10m/year I wouldnt think. Especially if we part ways with Moss, we'd have little issue paying him.

None of that changes the fact that it would be a significant cap outlay, which is part of what makes the potential price for Harvin pretty steep. And "little issue paying him" is a pretty meaningless statement. We would have little issue paying Rex Grossman 50 mil over 5 years if we wanted to, but that doesn't make it a good idea.

The cost is the trade price AND the cap price, Justifying one or the other in a vacuum doesn't justify paying both. Especially when you have to ignore the negatives to do so.

---------- Post added February-10th-2013 at 08:40 PM ----------

Twitter saying:

"ECStoner: Wow. MT @SteveBateman99: Talk in Minnesota says Percy Harvin can leave for a 2nd and 4th round pick."
--http://twitter.com/ECStoner/status/300769183501791233



I personally would rather draft the next harvin, guys like a ace sanders, archer or ellington...

edit I see archer has decided to return to kent st but there are rb/wr combo types in this draft lets get our own!

I mean, you might be able to move up in the 2nd far enough to get Tavon Austin, who could end up being as good without being a potential cancer. And you can sign a star level player for the money you'd save.

[Taylor 36]

I think his injury problems stem from Minnesota over-using him so much each season. On the Redskins he would be in a specific role and would not be over-used as we have other playmakers, thus the injury concern would reduce.

If you're the return man, go to receiver, and used on screens and gadget plays multiple times each game, every single season, then you're at a much greater risk for injury due to overusage and the amount of tackles and hits you're facing.

For the right price, he'd be worth it. Harvin would be phenomenal in our system, especially with RG3 throwing to him and having Garcon as a complementing receiver.

None of that has anything to do with his migraines that keep him out of an average of three games a season.

[DC9]

Twitter saying:

"ECStoner: Wow. MT @SteveBateman99: Talk in Minnesota says Percy Harvin can leave for a 2nd and 4th round pick."
--http://twitter.com/ECStoner/status/300769183501791233

That should close the thread. That's way too much for Harvin, with his salary. Unless they want to throw in AJ Jefferson.

[NLC1054]

...Okay.

1.) We don't have enough ammunition to get him over some other team. People talking about a couple thirds or fourths or whatever can just cut that out. The Vikings are looking for a second round pick for the guy, potentially more than that. And there will be teams that have better draft position than we have who will be more willing to pay that price.

2.) He's on the last year of his rookie deal. Even though our cap penalty will be gone in 2014, the salary cap is going to stay flat, and we might still have to deal with cap issues because we might have to push money in 2014 to sign anyone we want to sign now. And half the reason Harvin is being a douche right now is because he wants big money. Now whether he deserves it or not is a matter of opinion, but if he does not work out here, or he wants a contract that is cost prohibitive, then essentially you just blew a second round pick for a guy you got on a one year rental.

3.) There are a lot of receivers that are a lot cheaper. "Proven" or not (and honestly, that's one of the silliest arguments against just using a second round pick on a wide receiver we could develop on our own.)

4.) Percy Harvin's injury history is a GIANT red flag. His intermittent problems with migranes, frequent tweaks, knicks and bruuises, a couple stints on IR. It doesn't matter how explosive someone has the potential to be if they can't stay on the field and play, which is what makes it so silly that Harvin was complaining about the Vikings not putting him on the field more. When you have issues with health (not to mention when you're guying off alll the time and acting like a headcase), you're going to get the ball less.

5.) The aforementioned "head case" thing. It's the exact opposite of the kind of player Mike Shanahan has tried to sign other than maybe Donovan, and we all saw how that ill-conceived trade went. He's not getting traded because the Vikings see incredible value on him, they're trading him because he's an injury prone head case who has been causing trouble for them since the open of training camp last season. He gets into it with the front office, he gets into it with the coaches when he doesn't get the ball. Yeah, he's talented, but I'd rather he was someone else's potential headache and that we could building our team the way we are now, and ironically enough, the same way many of the same people who say we should build through the draft and with smart, cheap signings in free agency are now abandoning and advocating to trade for this guy.

Why do we want this guy on our football team?

[Momma There Goes That Man]

None of that has anything to do with his migraines that keep him out of an average of three games a season.

He missed one game in 09 and 2 games in 2010 due to migrains. Thats it. He didn't miss a game in 2011 and missed 7 last year due to his ankle injury. I don't see where the baseless injury concerns questions come from.

[thesubmittedone]

While I don't believe we "need" another WR or even another playmaker in general, it would make us that much more potent offensively. Right now, the pistol offense is one of the toughest in the NFL to defend, but the idea might be that, with Harvin on board, the pistol will virtually be unstoppable. If our coaches view it that way it doesn't matter if it's a "luxury" or not, we should put in our bid. It might mean a championship.

Look, in the past we've gotten so used to having so many holes all over the team while our FO made the moronic decision of going all out on a couple of guys via FA (as if that's all we needed) that we're all extremely paranoid about thinking in such a manner.

But, for the first time in decades, the Redskins roster IS A FEW PIECES AWAY.

In my opinion, we only NEED a stud FS and another above average CB (who may be on this team as it stands with Minnifield and Crawford, or can be found through the draft). Other than that, what do we really need? Some may argue a solid RT, but our Oline was able to do some great things this year even with that weak link. Whether or not you consider that a need, however, doesn't change the fact that it still is only a few pieces.

So, with that said, if there is a guy out there who can really make our offense an absolute monster that can put up historical numbers, it's time for us to not mind paying up. We might win a Super Bowl with that guy as long as he doesn't hamper us from shoring up our needs. If Harvin costs us so much that we can't get the above players I just mentioned (like a 2nd or a 3rd in the draft and/or his salary is too difficult to work around), then no. But, if he doesn't and our coaches believe he is that type of a guy, we should absolutely bring him in. The guy is a beast and a threat to go all the way on every play no matter where he is lined up. Defense's had trouble defending our offense with only Garcon being that guy. Some might say Aldrick Robinson was another, but I'd disagree. Defense's knew he wasn't going to catch a screen or quick slant and take it all the way. Imagine Garcon and our other WRs lined up with Harvin and Morris in the backfield with Robert in the pistol.

Now, maybe our coaches feel like Robinson can turn into a better all around player and be that guy. If that's the case, we definitely shouldn't give up anything for Harvin. But, if the conditions I mentioned above are met, I think we're just being paranoid Redskin fans that are used to getting owned on these type of deals by being against it.

[DogofWar1]

I was interested when the cost was still up in the air, but them wanting a 2nd and a 4th puts him WAY out of our price range. Case closed.

Back to the drawing board on WR. There should be some solid talent in the 3rd and 4th round, and maybe even extending into the 5th, if we're so inclined. Obviously not at Harvin's level, but definitely solid.

[thesubmittedone]

I was interested when the cost was still up in the air, but them wanting a 2nd and a 4th puts him WAY out of our price range. Case closed.

Back to the drawing board on WR. There should be some solid talent in the 3rd and 4th round, and maybe even extending into the 5th, if we're so inclined. Obviously not at Harvin's level, but definitely solid.

Damn, a 2nd and a 4th? Welp, I wish I knew that before writing everything I just did a couple posts above, lol. Pass. We absolutely need that 2nd.

[PapaLazarou]

He would be a playmaker on any offense. Other teams have more leverage in terms of cap space and draft picks. Every other team would gladly pick him up for the right price. It might be a nice thought to keep people occupied until Combine/ Free Agency, but I think we will keep out of this.

[skinfan2k]

There is one thing Mike does well and that is find offensive talent late in the draft. We dont need to waste picks on a player which we have to pay and give up picks for