Why would the DNC air their new ad?

[SnyderShrugged]

I don't get it?

After the entire world has seen the issues involving the entire 60 minutes show from the other night, why would they still air the new ad that touts the false information?

Won't this backfire as soon as 60 minutes recants (if they do, of course).

[Kilmer17]

Kerry is lying right?

Shouldnt we use the same standards they use to accuse Bush of lying?

[SnyderShrugged]

I find it so hard to believe that an ad from the DNC (not 527's) would stand behind disprooved accusations.

I'm really starting to buy into the set up to fail by the Clintons theory more and more.

There are many issues that Bush is weak on right now and they focus on this stuff.

Kerry is done if this continues.

[OURYEAR#56]

I am re-examining my vote this year. I will vote for Bush. That way AFrica has a chance at true independence. I said 4 years ago Bush was going to usher in a lot of problems for us. His gun ho, self grandizing approach has chastise the rest of the world. We will soon see how a "empire" crumbles. What Kerry lied about is nothing compared to Bush. He lied about his knowledge of WMD. He never caught Bin Laden. He ignored the fact Bin Laden clearly had nothing to do with Iraq. Osma even went as far to call Sadaam the "Socialist Infidel". It's clear to me that Osama would vote for Bush too. That way his mission of destabilizing the world politics will continue. Get ready to put your shades on, because if Bush wins, 9-11 is going to look like a party. Kerry is a man that stood up for what he beleived in. The Vietnam war was injust, just like the Iraqi war. Kerry obviously agreed with going to war with Iraq over WMD, but when those grounds turned out to be false he disagreed with the war on Iraq. But we don't want to talk about that. Siron gas only has a shelf life of 2 years. And chemical weapons can not cause extensive damages unless in a controled enviorment. Bush knew that hewas lying. He'a a blatant liar. And all the work Reagan did to make us that "Shining City on the Hill" has been tarnished by his own party. You all can vote based on political affiliation. I'm voting because I know Bush will mess up enough to creat a global vacuum. Watch!

[Thiebear]

I agree that they are definately focusing on some weird stuff..
They know it wont help.
They know they can win in others ways locally and economically.
Yet its the same repetitive thing over and over...

[troyster]

Originally posted by OURYEAR#56
I am re-examining my vote this year. I will vote for Bush. That way AFrica has a chance at true independence. I said 4 years ago Bush was going to usher in a lot of problems for us. His gun ho, self grandizing approach has chastise the rest of the world. We will soon see how a "empire" crumbles. What Kerry lied about is nothing compared to Bush. He lied about his knowledge of WMD. He never caught Bin Laden. He ignored the fact Bin Laden clearly had nothing to do with Iraq. Osma even went as far to call Sadaam the "Socialist Infidel". It's clear to me that Osama would vote for Bush too. That way his mission of destabilizing the world politics will continue. Get ready to put your shades on, because if Bush wins, 9-11 is going to look like a party. Kerry is a man that stood up for what he beleived in. The Vietnam war was injust, just like the Iraqi war. Kerry obviously agreed with going to war with Iraq over WMD, but when those grounds turned out to be false he disagreed with the war on Iraq. But we don't want to talk about that. Siron gas only has a shelf life of 2 years. And chemical weapons can not cause extensive damages unless in a controled enviorment. Bush knew that hewas lying. He'a a blatant liar. And all the work Reagan did to make us that "Shining City on the Hill" has been tarnished by his own party. You all can vote based on political affiliation. I'm voting because I know Bush will mess up enough to creat a global vacuum. Watch!

WOW. That's an.... interesting take. Can you explain why you want a "global vaccuum?"

[Hitman56]

The DNC is airing the ad because when you get slapped in the face, you have to slap back. Otherwise middle america may believe everything they hear on Fox News is the truth. They probably don't even care if people believe this stuff. They just have to get a response out there.

Eventually, the Kerry campaign will focus on pointing out the Bush administrations multiple failures. It will be interesting to see how the republicans respond to that.

[Joe Sick]

Bush and his Swift Boat buddies have proven that even is something is disproved, it can help your poll numbers. No matter what people say, this issue is far from decided as to the validity of the memos.

Have to fight dirty sometimes.

Republicans can't stand it that someone would be willing to stoop to their level!!

[SnyderShrugged]

Originally posted by Jackson's Ward
Bush and his Swift Boat buddies have proven that even is something is disproved, it can help your poll numbers. No matter what people say, this issue is far from decided as to the validity of the memos.

Have to fight dirty sometimes.

Republicans can't stand it that someone would be willing to stoop to their level!!

Interesting rhetoric out of you all.

Can anyone please proivide the link that Bush or the RNC is behind or even substantiating the Swift Boat accusations. Last I knew, that chapter closed as a viable point when Bush denounced ALL 527's. This ad comes from the DNC, not a 527. That's the distinction that you refuse to acknowledge and thus proove that you are only voting the ABB line with no real rationale for your assumptions beyond hate.


Also, please give me exact and specifc quotes and links of a fox news lie. I would be curious if you are just spewing as normal or if you have real facts. Please don't go into anything from Stewart Smalley. It's sad when you rely on him for a base.

[Joe Sick]

None of these FACTS have been seriously contested. Why wouldn't the LIBERAL MEDIA jump all over these facts? Are these the FACTS that the DNC uses in their article.

• Bush didn't fulfill the "military service obligation" he signed: An article in the September 20 edition of U.S. News & World Report reported: "Because Bush signed a six-year 'military service obligation,' he was required to attend at least 44 inactive-duty training drills each fiscal year beginning July 1. But Bush's own records show that he fell short of that requirement, attending only 36 drills in the 1972-73 period, and only 12 in the 1973-74 period. The White House has said that Bush's service should be calculated using 12-month periods beginning on his induction date in May 1968. Using this time frame, however, Bush still fails the Air Force obligation standard."

• Even White House methodology shows Bush didn't attend enough drills to meet requirements: The U.S. News article continued: "Moreover, White House officials say, Bush should be judged on whether he attended enough drills to count toward retirement. They say he accumulated sufficient points under this grading system. Yet, even using their method, which some military experts say is incorrect, U.S. News's analysis shows that Bush once again fell short. His military records reveal that he failed to attend enough active-duty training and weekend drills to gain the 50 points necessary to count his final year toward retirement."

• Bush didn't comply with time limits on making up missed drills: The U.S. News article reported: "[D]uring the final two years of his obligation, Bush did not comply with Air Force regulations that impose a time limit on making up missed drills."

• Bush never made up five months of missed drills: According to the U.S. News article, Bush "apparently never made up five months of drills he missed in 1972, contrary to assertions by the administration. White House officials did not respond to the analysis last week but emphasized that Bush had 'served honorably.'"

• Bush twice signed documents pledging to meet requirements; twice violated that oath: According to a September 8 article in The Boston Globe: "Bush fell well short of meeting his military obligation, a Globe reexamination of the records shows: Twice during his Guard service -- first when he joined in May 1968, and again before he transferred out of his unit in mid-1973 to attend Harvard Business School -- Bush signed documents pledging to meet training commitments or face a punitive call-up to active duty. He didn't meet the commitments, or face the punishment, the records show. The 1973 document has been overlooked in news media accounts. The 1968 document has received scant notice."

• Bush skipped a required physical, and was grounded from flying: The Globe article continued: "While Bush was in Alabama, he was removed from flight status for failing to take his annual flight physical in July 1972. On May 1, 1973, Bush's superior officers wrote that they could not complete his annual performance review because he had not been observed at the Houston base during the prior 12 months."

• U.S. representative's son George W. Bush mysteriously escaped punishment: The Globe article reported: "The reexamination of Bush's records by the Globe, along with interviews with military specialists who have reviewed regulations from that era, show that Bush's attendance at required training drills was so irregular that his superiors could have disciplined him or ordered him to active duty in 1972, 1973, or 1974. But they did neither. In fact, Bush's unit certified in late 1973 that his service had been 'satisfactory' -- just four months after Bush's commanding officer wrote that Bush had not been seen at his unit for the previous 12 months."

• Former Texas speaker of the House swore under oath that he helped Bush get into the Guard: According to The Globe: "Ben Barnes, who was speaker of the Texas House of Representatives in 1968, said in a deposition in 2000 that he placed a call to get young Bush a coveted slot in the Guard at the request of a Bush family friend."

• Bush's business school professor said Bush admitted his father's friends got him into the Guard: A September 13 CNN.com article reported that Bush's Harvard Business School professor Yoshi Tsurumi said that Bush told him that family friends had pulled strings to get him into the Texas Air National Guard: "Bush confided in him [Tsurumi] during an after-class hallway conversation during the 1973-74 school year. 'He admitted to me that to avoid the Vietnam draft, he had his dad -- he said 'Dad's friends' -- skip him through the long waiting list to get him into the Texas National Guard,' Tsurumi said. 'He thought that was a smart thing to do.'" But the videotaped interview has been largely absent from CNN's cable broadcasts, as Media Matters for America has noted.

[pr11fan]

Otherwise middle america may believe everything they hear on Fox News is the truth.

Or cnn, msnbc, and npr....Just thought you might have forgotten to complete the sentence.

[Destino]

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the only documents in question those Rather presented? Aren't all the others, that also show a gap in service, still credible?

[Kilmer17]

Most of the damaging stuff about Rather and CBS's lies have been uncovered by the Wash Post and other major networks.

But dont let your vitriol get in the way of facts.

[Destino]

Originally posted by Kilmer17
Most of the damaging stuff about Rather and CBS's lies have been uncovered by the Wash Post and other major networks.

But dont let your vitriol get in the way of facts.

Who was that comment aimed at?

[Kilmer17]

JWard.