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    Price controls, overregulation caused flu vaccine shortage

    The announcement came last week: Flu vaccine shortage. Chiron Corporation’s flu vaccine facility in Liverpool, England, had its license suspended for three months by British health regulators because of contamination problems. As a result, the supply of flu vaccine to the entire United States was cut in half for this flu season.
    How can this be? The United States has the largest, most sophisticated and productive pharmaceutical industry in the entire world. Are we now turning to an American company to make up the shortfall? No. Federal officials are asking Aventis Pasteur, a French company that is already supplying 54 million doses this year, to make more vaccine, if possible. Of course, it is likely the company will be unable to do so. But what about the American companies? There are none.

    Americans have every right to be angry and frustrated. And because our politicians have created this mess, they have every obligation to explain to us what they are doing to correct it.

    The pharmaceutical industry is large, about $250 billion in the United States alone. But the vaccine business is relatively small, only about $2 billion each year. In 1988, there were 25 manufacturers of vaccines in the United States. Today, there are only four major players. And there are only two companies making flu vaccines. The government has become the most important purchaser of vaccines and now controls the market. This is because public health agencies have stepped into the market to help the poor by providing low-cost vaccinations. While this sounds like a laudable goal, the "public customer" has come to dominate the market. This has lowered prices for these medications.

    With prices low, the risks associated with vaccine manufacture have become relatively more important. Vaccine manufacturers continue to be sued in vaccine-related lawsuits. Over the past 15 years, such litigation has chased several companies out of the vaccine business altogether.

    Quality standards in the United States are similar to those in Europe, but the validation of those standards is more complex in the U.S. As a result, vaccine shortages that arise in this country cannot be met by products that have been approved in other countries, even if the standards for approval are the same as those used here.

    Commercial companies on their own cannot guarantee they will be able to supply a complex product such as a flu vaccine without problems or interruptions. Testifying two weeks ago before the Senate Special Committee on Aging, Chiron’s chief executive officer stated his belief that this nation would have plenty of vaccine. Even he was unaware that his plant would be closed within a week and his testimony would become a joke in the industry.

    The flu vaccine shortage is an example of the inability of government to improve on the functioning of the open market. By pushing out other customers, government programs have forced prices down. Regulation has continued unabated, putting additional pressure on suppliers. So today, we have few choices for vaccines in general and only two choices for flu vaccines.

    Last year, 36,000 people died from the flu and 200,000 were hospitalized, according to Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, chairman of the Senate aging panel. He and Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Indiana, have introduced the Flu Protection Act of 2004 to correct some of these problems. However, the act does not get the government out of the vaccination business; rather, it makes the industry more dependent on the government through guaranteed purchasing agreements.

    We want to see action that increases the number of companies making vaccines in the United States. We want to see action that reduces the legal liability of companies making these important medicines that save thousands of lives each year. We want to see a move away from price controls, which suppress innovation and limit options for all Americans. And we want to see action that allows companies to follow a simpler pathway to regulatory approval for both European and American markets.

    William F. Buckley Jr. once explained that the solution to high meat prices was higher meat prices. High prices created by shortages encourage additional suppliers to enter the market, thus lowering prices over time. The government is preventing companies from entering the vaccine market through overregulation and price controls. And shortages are the result. Sometimes the most basic laws of economics are the ones we must learn over and over again.

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    this is even a better link( but a bit long)
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    The GAO wrote three years ago that this could be a problem. Bush did nothing. He outsourced (sound familiar?) the job to an American company in England. This is what happens when you put all your eggs in the free market basket.

    What do you think we should do?

    Make the virus ourselves, using government scientists.

    Can Halliburton make vaccines?


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    Originally posted by Jackson's Ward
    The GAO wrote three years ago that this could be a problem. Bush did nothing. He outsourced (sound familiar?) the job to an American company in England. This is what happens when you put all your eggs in the free market basket.

    What do you think we should do?

    Make the virus ourselves, using government scientists.

    Can Halliburton make vaccines?
    Do you really believe this crap?

    The President of the United States is now responsible for flu vaccine production?

    Lets blame C. Everett Koop while we're at it. Wait, he's been dead a couple years, so HE's off the hook. Lucky bastard.

    Come on. You can do better than this. Not radically better, but better.

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    The original problem in the first place is TOO MUCH government envolvement, complete government control won't help.

    The way these drugs are made is not a free market way of making them.

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    *** MY opinion on what I've heard to date ***

    Hillary Clinton reduced the ability to make a buck on flu shots so the amount of companies has gone down (childrens fund or something like that) ... Private companies couldnt make any money so they quit... (outsourcing anyone ).

    Bush asked for 100 million for expansion and Congress gave him 50mill?

    is that right?

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    If only they made one of these.....
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    Just like everything else..... allow the govt.'s grubby hands into the mix... and everything gets "effed" up.

    Stick to border security, general welfare (read standing army), and regulating interstate commerce BIG BRO.... You eff up everything else.

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    Okay seriously, do people really think a free market solution is the right solution for vaccines?

    If the price of vaccines were allowed to rise to the free market equilibrium, then a lot more people wouldn't get them because it wouldn't be worth it to them.

    So all the poor people would get the flu while all the rich people would be vaccinated. No problem for the rich people, right?

    Unfortunately, health problems are never so simple. Having a lot more people walking around with the flu increases the chances of them getting more serious diseases and spreading it to the rest of the population. More sick people also weighs more heavily on the labor supply, emergency medical services, and a whole host of commodities that we share.

    You can scream free market all you want, but health issues are one area where the free market isn't going to give us the optimal solution. When your neighbor gets sick, it will affect you.
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    DjTj, you're extremely close to brushing up against the dreaded "e" word that economic libertarians despise with all their hearts!
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    Originally posted by Tarhog


    Do you really believe this crap?

    The President of the United States is now responsible for flu vaccine production?

    Lets blame C. Everett Koop while we're at it. Wait, he's been dead a couple years, so HE's off the hook. Lucky bastard.

    Come on. You can do better than this. Not radically better, but better.
    Yeah, yeah. We know the Bush apologists will say that he is responsible for nothing. He has never made a mistake. He is Jesus in cowboy boots. His job is more than just bombing and golfing. Can't this man multitask?

    [You forgot the part about frivolous lawsuits driving up the price. Need to stick to the talking points more closely.]

    Just answer the question that Senator Kerry asked today.

    "If you can't plan to have enough of that vaccine, what are they doing with respect to the other things that could potentially hurt America in terms of bioterrorism, chemical terrorism, other kinds of things?" he said.

    Once again, people will die because of poor or nonexistent planning by this administration.

    When are people going to tire of this?

    Let's hope November 2nd.


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    Originally posted by Jackson's Ward


    Yeah, yeah. We know the Bush apologists will say that he is responsible for nothing. He has never made a mistake. He is Jesus in cowboy boots. His job is more than just bombing and golfing. Can't this man multitask?

    [You forgot the part about frivolous lawsuits driving up the price. Need to stick to the talking points more closely.]

    Just answer the question that Senator Kerry asked today.

    "If you can't plan to have enough of that vaccine, what are they doing with respect to the other things that could potentially hurt America in terms of bioterrorism, chemical terrorism, other kinds of things?" he said.

    Once again, people will die because of poor or nonexistent planning by this administration.

    When are people going to tire of this?

    Let's hope November 2nd.
    Jackson, You never cease to amaze me. I'm sure if Kerry had been in office, there would have been NO CHANCE of this vaccine running out, right? What did Bush say to do. He said if you are young, and healthy, Don't get a shot, so the people most at risk, the elderly etc. can get theirs. I have never gotten a Flu-Vaccine in my life. I'm still here. Sorry man, but making sure the country has enough Flu-Vaccine is not the job of the President of the United States, no matter how hard you try to spin it. NOBODY is buying that, but those who already hate Bush anyhow. Kerry might as well let that one go. It ain't working.
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    Originally posted by DjTj
    Okay seriously, do people really think a free market solution is the right solution for vaccines?

    If the price of vaccines were allowed to rise to the free market equilibrium, then a lot more people wouldn't get them because it wouldn't be worth it to them.

    So all the poor people would get the flu while all the rich people would be vaccinated. No problem for the rich people, right?

    Unfortunately, health problems are never so simple. Having a lot more people walking around with the flu increases the chances of them getting more serious diseases and spreading it to the rest of the population. More sick people also weighs more heavily on the labor supply, emergency medical services, and a whole host of commodities that we share.

    You can scream free market all you want, but health issues are one area where the free market isn't going to give us the optimal solution. When your neighbor gets sick, it will affect you.
    You've never heard of Doctors without Borders, medical missionaries or free clinics have you, genius?

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    Originally posted by Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin


    You've never heard of Doctors without Borders, medical missionaries or free clinics have you, genius?
    I'm not sure why this has anything to do with the free market v. regulated health care debate, but I think the existence of non-profit organizations in the health care arena weighs toward the government.

    Charities even more than private consumers from the market constraints mandated by government. They wouldn't be able to provide many vaccines at all if the price were higher.

    Charities also of course rely heavily on government support. Donations are tax-deductible because the government is willing to give that money to charities that are willing to do do public service work for them.
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    I was watching a report last night saying we are getting the same amount of vaccine's as the year 2000 the problem is everyone thinks the should have one, when a lot of people who don't need them get them. We need to make sure the elderly and the young get it first and people who have a need.

    Every time I get one I get sick so I won't be getting one this year

    The media is making this a big issue when it isn't one.

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    Originally posted by Tarhog
    If only they made one of these.....
    Still dreaming of a day when Cowboy fans vanish from the Earth, eh?

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