Anyone following the Govs race in Wash state?

[Kilmer17]

It makes FLA and OHIO look like perfection.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ecount21m.html

I think it's great that after all but 1 county had completed their recounts, THEN they "found" an extra 700 ballots.

[dreamingwolf]

why is it so difficult for some people to vote correctly?

[Skins24]

Originally posted by dreamingwolf
why is it so difficult for some people to vote correctly?

Because humans are the dumbest smart beings this side of the milky way....















except for me of course

[Akhhorus]

Well, you knew this would happen when the first recount had a gap of 48 votes. It will be awhile before we know. Those "found" votes, if they're invalid, they'll probably be disqualified.

[Akhhorus]

ok update: a hand recount now has the Dem candidate up by 8 votes. And this is NOT counting those "found" votes. It's heading for the courts.

[Kilmer17]

There is no way that this thing is going to be decided conclusively.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

I think it's odd how the most easily manipulated vote count is the hand recount(where stray marks can validate or invalidate a vote not previously counted) and that is the one Gregoire won.

Also, there were military ballots that were not going to be allowed in King County that Rossi is probably going to fight to be allowed. They found a registration from some homeless 'shelter' and while some of the votes from that place may be valid, there may also be felons who should not have validly counted. It remains to be seen.
Military votes from King County had some barriers that seemed unreasonable from the accounts I've heard.

I'm here in Seattle and I simply won't recognize Gregoire as my governor. She lost two machine counts and had to rely on shady electoral practices and a hand count in the largest liberal county in the state to win.

Some on this board may hate computer voting or the machine balloting, but it is the hand recounts where a great deal of fraud can take place. This deal with finding ballots at the last minute and with the fact that one writer I remember recounts a Democratic lawyer telling him he'd basically win any contested race where handcounts came into play make me very upset with this process.

Gregoire is a scuzzbag anyway. She sits there and says it's a "tie" when she lost TWICE and then says she WON after seeing the results at +8 votes.

Washington will continue to ruin itself with the lefty spending and social policies that spring mainly from this side of the Cascades. I can't tell you how odd it is being on the transit system here or just walking around dowtown. The vagrants and addicts and runaways are a constant presence and in numbers that(being from Philly and DC I've seen my share) dwarf what I've seen on the East Coast. And these people really aren't going to be helped, they are only enabled.

So in the long run a Republican is going to win and with the state's strong Libertarian base maybe one day an L will win.

[gstahl]

Originally posted by Kilmer17
There is no way that this thing is going to be decided conclusively.

The difference is already statistically insignificant so just toss the coin already...

Actually, the real fix should be any election that is within the election system's margin of error (whatever that turns out to be) should be mandatory re-vote. I mean I would expect a hand re-count may even have more error than a machine count, heck 10 ballots were probably dropped on the floor.

[NoCalMike]

If an election is as close as eight votes, I think you bite the bullet and have a run off election. I mean what is the human margin of error counting up over a million votes? Natural human error has to account for at least 100 wrong ballots, so that means whenever a hand recount comes up closer then 100 votes, the losing side can say, "Human error, recount one more time"

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Originally posted by NoCalMike
If an election is as close as eight votes, I think you bite the bullet and have a run off election. I mean what is the human margin of error counting up over a million votes? Natural human error has to account for at least 100 wrong ballots, so that means whenever a hand recount comes up closer then 100 votes, the losing side can say, "Human error, recount one more time"

This is a great point.

Sure, I think that Rossi won the real election but with ANYONE winning by 42 or 8 votes, I have no issue with run-off elections.

I also like the idea of(can't recall the term for it) where people rank their choices(maybe you can limit their choice of ranks) so that they can vote their conscience AND still have more than a 'negative' impact on the elections.

[Kilmer17]

It is in the best interests ofthe GOP to have Rossi concede at this point.

Be the bigger person and then kick Patty Murray's butt for the Senate in 2006. Worked for Thune in SD.

No matter how they slice it, Gregoire wins. The State Leg is controlled by Dems, the State courts are controlled by Dems.

It's fraud. The Dems will successfully steal this one. But the RIGHT thing to do in Rossi's case is take the high road.

[Akhhorus]

Originally posted by NoCalMike
If an election is as close as eight votes, I think you bite the bullet and have a run off election. I mean what is the human margin of error counting up over a million votes? Natural human error has to account for at least 100 wrong ballots, so that means whenever a hand recount comes up closer then 100 votes, the losing side can say, "Human error, recount one more time"

wont happen. For one reason: money. Even if you do a one month mini campaign with a new election, it would cost a lot. And whomever won that one would never be the legit governor because of the previous results. Usually it just comes down to one of the candidates saying: screw it, I'll get them next time.

[Akhhorus]

The final count from the hand recount has the Dem. candidate up over 100 votes. Still going to court.

[JimboDaMan]

Originally posted by Kilmer17
It is in the best interests ofthe GOP to have Rossi concede at this point.

Be the bigger person and then kick Patty Murray's butt for the Senate in 2006. Worked for Thune in SD.

No matter how they slice it, Gregoire wins. The State Leg is controlled by Dems, the State courts are controlled by Dems.

It's fraud. The Dems will successfully steal this one. But the RIGHT thing to do in Rossi's case is take the high road.

Kilmer, got even the most laughable evidence of said fraud? Or is this just you spouting out of your ass.

I find it hilarious when you find yourselves losers you'd want a runoff election. If that was done in the FL 2000 presidential race GWB would be strictly a rancher by now.

And ghost, there's nothing odd about this. It was noticed almost immediately that a certain range of the alphabet was missing from the hand count. That's why they went back and searched for the missing ballots. Its laugh-out-loud funny that you guys claim this as fraud when its documented fact that one or more of the machines in Ohio were tampered with.

Now does that mean the votes were tampered with in Ohio? No it does not, and its not very likely. But while you guys sneer at Ohio, you're missing the point that a serious breach occurred that COULD have resulted in vote tampering. Had that happened, the votes could all have gone or Mr. McGoo and there's nothing anybody could do to change it.

[Baculus]

The "lost" votes, as far as suspicion, could go either way, as far as fraud is concerned.

Whatever the results of this year's election, we really need to revamp the system. It is ridiculous, and folks start to lose faith. What's funny, is though, that folks want to blame anyone that even questions the process as somehow adding to a "loss of faith" in the system.